Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire I heard Rick Jamison won his lawsuit.............

I talked to a friend who works for an outfit here in San Diego that does a lot of applied research, and patents a fair amount of stuff. He says they budget $500,000 a year for patent defense, and consider that they not very aggressive.

Reading the text of the earliest patent, I found the arguments made "not compelling". I could not get all the figures to come up, and those that did were showing a Ruger M77. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

It would be interesting to get at least the details of the law suit. I expect that is public information, even if the settlement is sealed.

jim

Mr. Howell,


This got me to wondering if you ever patented your many cartridges?
If not perhaps you should. You have made a great many contributions to the field.
Oh yeah, the sling swivels too.

lewis

and consider the resolution presented to the Board and it passed unanimously. No offense taken.

You mean like Pat Riley and the "Three peat" that got him royalties? He thought to copyright the phraseology first and made big bucks in doing so.

Imagine the money I could make if I copyright "Of course I respect you."

Lewis
At a seminar with a well-known furniture designer the question was asked about how he protected his many designs.

"I might worry about it a lot more if I thought it was going to be the only good idea I could come up with..."
art

Brad's earlier post is right on the money as far as I am concerned. I bet Mr. Jamison would not have gone after some fledgling manufacturer (even with his patent) but, a major manufacturer was simply easy money.

I wonder what Carmichael got from Remmy for "his" 260???

Huntr

The way I heard it was that Jamison went to Winchester/USRAC with his concept. I don't know if it was patented at the time. Winchester turned down his idea and apparently "that was that". At some time later, low and behold, the 300WSM is introduced and looked a lot like what Jamison had spoke of. So do we discredit him for sticking up for his idea? Or do we make Winchester the goat for apparently "stealing" his idea and claiming it to be their own?
I don't have a dog in this fight but it would be nice to get an accurate chronological overview of the events. Only then can we make an educated decision.

bizymocha,

Who wants to be educated to make a decission. Haven't you noticed we prefer ignorant predjudice? There is no need to defend oneself when one has a good ignorant predjudice to judge someone.

bizymoucha,

I have zero inside knowledge here, but Mr. Jamison got his first patent in '98, while Winchester introduced the .300 WSM in 2000. At that time I thought Winchester were being toads for claiming that it was an entirely new case and design when several wildcatters and proprietary case designs were out there in the public domain.

In particular Jim Busha's Heavy Express Magnum and HE Short Action Mags were being advertised in the Wolfe magazines.

jim

Jamison did approach Winchester with the short mag. From what little I have heard, Winchester was interested but Jamison wanted more money than Winchester was willing to pay. Jamison also insisted on Winchester naming the cartridge after him.

While I think there is a rather large ego involved, I would have done the same thing Jamison did. He had his time and probably his money invested in the development of his version of the short mags.

Who is Rick Jamison?

He's the guy who "invented" the short fat idea - which Winchester ripped off <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Naw - just stirring the pot - he is a writer and apparently a gun tinkerer of some ability.


I was thinking about this - not really being in the know - but I could see an instance where a guy has an idea and approaches a company to help develop it - an agreement is reached and then that company fails to uphold their end - perhaps on a royalty or some such thing.

Perhaps Rick went to Winchester with the WSM concept line or Winchester saw what Rick had done - offered some tweaking with powders avail to Win only or mfg changes and they agreed on a royalty or fee. Win (apparently) didn't hold up their end and Rick went after what was his and agreed on.

Seems a likely story as I just can not see a patent being the issue here --- some others would be lining up like crazy to say someone "stole" their wildcat.

I don't think we'll ever REALLY know.

God Love You, Ken, ain't that the truth.

BMT

One thing is certain, I bet that we won't see him writing any articles on Winchester products in the near future.

Well...if Rick did all the R&D, and was not employed by Winchester, then they did steal his idea. Think of how much money they made off the 300WSM, and he got nothing for it. Funny, because the engineers at Winchester got a lot of credit for being so brilliant in their discovery.

First of all, "Olin" developed the WSM's... NOT WINCHESTER AND NOT JAMISON. The R&D for the WSM's was in the 100's of thousands and was incurred by Olin. Jamison developed the JAMISON LINE OF CARTRIDGES and spent a couple thousand bucks (maybe) for drawings and reamers.

The guy's a boring writer. I'm glad he's got his retirement funded... now maybe he'll go away.

But doesn't Olin own Winchester? So what is the difference?

And didn't Olin start their R&D based off of his R&D?

NO and NO...

Brad,
Man you really don't like Rick Jamisom...
Did he steal your girlfriend or put sugar
in your gas tank?
How do you know he only spent "couple of thousand bucks(maybe)"?
You sound sure of yourself...So how do you know?
Bart