Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire I heard Rick Jamison won his lawsuit.............

Nope, never cared for Jamison's "writing" and yeah, I did catch him filling the tank with sugar <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Developing a cartridge is simple... anyone with CAD can make the drawings on a home computer (or, like me, you can break out the drafting gear). Since Jamison is an engineer, it was simple matter for him to produce his own drawings. Reamers are cheap, even one-off's... check out Clymer's website. Pressure testing is cheap and easy for anyone with the gear (which Jamison has). Any knuckle head (me in particular) can design a "new" cartidge... it's called "wildcatting" and has been going on for at least two or three years I hear...

How hard is any of this to figure out, seriously?

As to other sources, they shall remain nameless.

But, why is it you cannot see the guy's point of view at all? I am not saying Winchester stole his data and idea, but what if they did? You don't like the guy so all of the sudden he has no right to his R&D?

I bet if you invented the "30-Brad", and patented it, you would be pissed if someone like Federal came along and put their name on it.

� Parallel, independent development and invention are at least as old as the monk, Mendel, who experimented with genetics and statistics. Twain went broke backing the Paige type-setter, because Paige kept dinking around with "improvements" so long that Mergenthaler beat him to the market with Linotype. Parallel development has always been very common in the wildcatting of cartridges.

� "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc" (after this, therefore because of this) has been recognized as a prominent total fallacy for a long, long time.

It is stupid, therefore, to assume that So-and-So-Two "stole" or copied So-and-So-One's cartridge because the later version is virtually or completely identical to the earlier version.

But logic, alas, has as little to do with the opinions of opinionated opiners as facts do � as many posts in this thread both prove and illustrate.

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Dog, have you not followed any of the posts in this thread... there were MANY short-fats available before Jamisons, from Gradle, Payne, Gentry, HE, Lazzeroni, etc... only Jamison had the Hubris to defy 100 years of wildcatting tradition. As I said, he got his "pension" now he needs to be hounded out of the neighborhood.

I think we are being very hard on Rick Jamison here. We have no idea what the details are here, isn't Microsoft what it is today because basically IBM hired Paul Allen and Bill Gates to develop the first operating system for a home computer rather than do it themselves?
How is this different, Jamison patented his idea, therefore whether you guys agree or not he owns it.
ps I like his writing, and he never put any suger in my gas tank.

Say's you...

Ideas abound.

What are the facts?

Does anybody care?

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I think he is a Bore and will not read the rags the money grubber writes for!!!!

I would like to think Rick got what he deserved, also Browning/Winchester got what they deserved.

As to Bill Gates, he sold a lie to IBM, in that he said he had the DOS operating system operational.

Gates and his team did not develop major parts of it. They got it (fairly) via Gordon Letwin, who left Heath to join Microsoft. Most of the kernel of MSDOS is HDOS. There's a big chunk of it for which Gates does not own the copyright.

When I first heard this story, it gave me a negative view of Rick. Now, providing what I have heard is true, I am in agreement with Rick.

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Well said!

I have to change my opinion on this. I did a little research and talked to a few people in the industry and have determined that Jamison is nothing but a pain in the ass that needs to go away.

I think granting a patent for a specific cartridge, that does not introduce some new technology, is wholly inappropriate. A cartridge is basically a set of dimensions. Theoretically, if you had enough time and money, you could submit patents for enough combinations of dimensions, that every new cartidge would have to be named after you. What an achievement. I don't see any real technological difference between a .300 WSM and a 7 X 57 to justify a patent. Now all Browning/USRAC products cost a little more, but the lawyers are happy. Whoopee.

And the late Dennis Marshall got paid by Outers for inventing the Foul Out when he worked at Johnson Controls even though electroplating was in use long before then, and William C. Davis, Jr. was paid for his development work on VLD bullets when he ran Tioga Engineering even though Thouvenin's "carabine a' tige" used boattail bullets as far back as the Civil War.
How would any of you like it if someone came to your place and took something of yours? Apparantly that's how Jamison saw it, and apparantly that is how the issue was settled.
Jamison is a collegue and friend of mine and from day one I have found him to be one of the most modest people I have ever met. When we talk about guns and cartridges, it's never a conversation about him. He is also one of the more helpful and thoughtful men I have met in this industry, and wish there were more like him. He is one of the few writers out there with the talent and equipment to actually form an intelligent hypothesis and properly test and report on it and I hope he continues writing.

I think Rufus makes a good point here. ---2MG

Rufus made my point but made it better...

To me this is like in fly fishing when guys take an established pattern and substitute one material and then call it something different. A Hare's Ear is a Hares Ear if it has turkey flat on the back or peacock herl.

I could give a [bleep] about Jamison's Ambulance Chasin' ways('tis The Age of Litigation and all),but to every man I know,his writing is scoffed as pedestrian rambling.

He's an embarrassment,as an Ink Slayer,to anyone who ever popped a primer.................