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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=305009009#PIC

Here's a good example, blued lever's, were not done by Savage,
so we can assume the whole thing was reblued. The seller knows it,
but he ain't sayin'.

So Why Is A Winchester Guy Looking At Savage Rifles? Are the sinchesters remade even more than a collector can decifere?

I my self would have bought some books, savage shooters .com the inter net .Then ask ,don't need to get mad .But it was ask an showing in bad taste posting the auction .If you want it buy it

It's sometimes part and parcel with the internet - things get lost in translation. Sigh.

Laughing.

Hey John
It's My time of the MONTH! I have bloating and water retention!!!!

To Me it does not matter at all. As said toes get stepped on, mine have and i have on others.

But i do feel better today.
For I Picked this up listed under Savage 99's, Which it's Not, and the Gun is Nicer than the Photo's
SAVAGE HIGH POWER???? http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=302753347

I've been watching several of this type of discussions and my cut at it is that there is a God awful lot of ego stroking going on. What REAL difference does it make who's missing, who's right. who's wrong, or your opinion or my opinion. In the end, it's all a wash. We ALL leave with absolutley nothing. Cheers.

Ya ! Think?
I think thats what's Make this Place a Good Place to Be!
All in how you take it to be. J.M.O.!



Valid Point! Pending how you look at it. How-ever i think we leave and live with something on this god given earth.

Sir. Could you PLEASE elaborate. I have absolutely no idea what it is you're trying to say. More precisely, the "valid point" part. Thank you.

It's me again guys...sorry for being so dense, but nobody has explained to me in language that I can understand why posting a link to a live auction causes a problem. I would not do it to promote an item or the seller, just to learn something. I also wouldn't do it if I was interested in buying the item. That would really be dumb. I really learned something by posting the link at the start of this thread and maybe someone got saved from buying this item thinking it was all original. Someone said that posting live auctions steps on toes...sorry I don't get that at all. The auction is on the internet for the whole world to see and analize, so why can't we learn from it? Are we trying to hide something or protect someone? If I post an auction of a gun and you experts see that it is not at all as advertized, wouldn't you want me or anybody else to know that if they asked you?? If the sights are wrong or you see some other problems, wouldn't you want to tell me the problems as you see them and then let me make a decision?? Yes, I am looking for advice, ideas, and training, but I thought that was what this forum was about. One of the experts on the Winchester forum always helps me and then says at the end of his post..."you owe me $20.00". I haven't sent him any money yet and he is still helping me after 4 years of questions (and he has helped a lot of other collectors also).

PM sent

Diamond, how many hours a week do you invest in searching out auctions and looking into them?

Some of the serious collectors here put in a LOT of hours on the internet, hours every night.

After hundreds or thousands of hours of searching, suppose the guy finally stumbles across a super rare rifle or high condition rifle that's mislabeled, misidentifed or on an offbeat website and very few others are going to see it. Maybe it's a solid frame 22HP, or a 99K in 22HP, or a 99RS in 358, or a factory checkered 1895 (I found one this year, unfortunately not good enough shape to bother keeping). Hey.. those hundreds or thousands of hours are going to pay off and he'll get a good deal!

Then somebody posts it here with a "Gee, is this a good deal?".

Price skyrockets.

After a few of those, that collector may just get ticked off enough to not come back here and share his knowledge.

Which is what this site has grown to be. It's not about giving estimates for guns, or buying/selling guns. It's about digging up and sharing information about Savages that we could never manage to do individually.


Read the "Misc. Good Info" thread. It has suggestions that were once posted and Rick99 the moderator liked them enough he saved them in a sticky thread.



Note that your linked auction falls into #3, and that lauren's link auction falls into #2.

And we won't go into the whole FlipperDan craziness...

Lets move on...

Glad to help as I/we have been doing for years here on the Forum. Are you wanting to just locate one original 1899/99 to buy or do you looking for more than that?

The Savage 1895/1899/99 is a difficult subject. I would suggest that you purchase a copy of Murray's book on 99's, read it two or three time then read it again. That will get you started and we can fill in the gaps for you. Also, the searchable back posting are a wealth of info.

What model/caliber/time period are you looking for?

Let's move on. Great advice Rick99. Thanks.


"MOST" folks don't have "hundreds if not thousands" of hours to sit in front of computers. Let alone the talent to intelligently search the internet for ANY given subject. If you love a particular item I think it's natural to seek out all the information you can. Take Murray's books. In MY case it's the Savage 99. I have read my 3rd edition till it's falling apart. HOWEVER his information is considered flawed in certain cases. But to many, it's considered the "Bible". He got his books published for one reason and one reason only. To make money!!!!!! You can make numbers say almost anything you want them to. You can also do the same thing with pictures. A little more or a little less light, a different angle, more or less focus, or changing the distance of the subject will all tell a different story. Holding the subject in your hands and actually looking at it is the ONLY real way to be sure.


I can't believe anyone can find ANYTHING on the internet and be silly enough to think they are the ONLY one to find it.

Please PM pictures of the bridge with price, shipped.

Tacksmacker

+1 are we under the Oduma theme here, and are restricted by a few that get their panties in a wad because someone doesn't follow THEIR way

I can tell you for sure that it happens all the time. Let me give you an example: a couple years ago on eBay a seller incorrectly listed a Lyman Alaskan scope as a Weaver scope, because the scope had a set of Weaver rings on it that covered the scope's markings. Was I the ONLY person to find it? No. But the listing drew far less interest than it would have if it had been listed correctly as a Lyman Alaskan. I watched the auction for a week and finally won the scope with a bid of around $75 (about 1/4 of the normal price).

Now, if during that week that I was watching this auction, someone had posted this live auction, either to ask questions about it or to point out that it had been mislabeled, the listing would have drawn far more attention and would not have sold for the price it did.

Your point that internet auctions are open to the view of everyone is certainly true in 95% of cases. But it's the other 5% of auctions that Calhoun and I are talking about, and that's why we don't encourage people to post live auctions.

Rod

Go against the gain on this forum at your own risk. J s/n.

The 'Old Salts' on this forum have a lot of knowledge gained the hard way which they share freely with the newbies, without recompense. If they take offense and lay down some informal ground rules it's their prerogative, IMO. Said newbies, if they tag along and keep their ears open, will soon gain a heightened level of expertise and their contributions that follow will help mould the face of the forum as it (inevitably) changes.

A kind word here and there goes a long way, too.

Very well put sir.

It is sometimes just best to sit back and "listen".