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I noticed the different lock up after I posted what I posted. So, I was suspicious that one wasn't an Ithaca. You did a wonderful job of restoration there. Super. Thanks for sharing. Check out the before and after on the Charles Askins Superposed. James Flynn restored the wood on that one. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=124719&start=180DF
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Looks like some vintage and very fine Ithaca trap guns.
Is that a Remington sitting between the '97 and M-12?
DF 1934 Remington 31 12 ga. Riot. 1919 Baker Elite and a 1927 Ithaca 4e The Ithaca 4E Knick shipped April 14, 1927 to a C.R Swartz in Kenyon, Ohio, and is my regular trap gun. There might be better guns out there, but I doubt it: [img] http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj603/bushmaster1313/CIMG0002.jpg[/img]
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Now THAT'S a pattern!!! Kudos..
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Now THAT'S a pattern!!! Kudos.. Agreed. The more I read and study those old shotgun gurus, the more amazed I am by what they knew. They were masters of the shotgun choke. By chance, I ended up with Major Charles Askins Senior's personal Browning Superposed, built to his specifications for hunting desert quail. I've since acquired some of his books and am very impressed by his depth of knowledge and fine writing style. He was one of the top shotgun writers in his day, in fact, was the highest paid gunwriter of that era. The SGW link previously posted gives the story. Pretty neat bit of history. DF
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Looks like some vintage and very fine Ithaca trap guns.
Is that a Remington sitting between the '97 and M-12?
DF 1934 Remington 31 12 ga. Riot. 1919 Baker Elite and a 1927 Ithaca 4e The Ithaca 4E Knick shipped April 14, 1927 to a C.R Swartz in Kenyon, Ohio, and is my regular trap gun. There might be better guns out there, but I doubt it: [img] http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj603/bushmaster1313/CIMG0002.jpg[/img] How do the Baker and Ithaca compare? DF
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Baker is a 1928 Dusenberg-big and beautiful and strong. Ithaca is Shelby Cobra - lithe and fast.
The Baker is a big gun. The Ithaca compact and seems to point itself
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Baker is a 1928 Dusenberg-big and beautiful and strong. Ithaca is Shelby Cobra - lithe and fast.
The Baker is a big gun. The Ithaca compact and seems to point itself How do they compare regarding value? DF
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Baker is a 1928 Dusenberg-big and beautiful and strong. Ithaca is Shelby Cobra - lithe and fast.
The Baker is a big gun. The Ithaca compact and seems to point itself How do they compare regarding value? DF Whatever the market will bear. All unreasonably high offers for the Baker will be seriously considered.
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not to knock the gun AT ALL, as the Ithaca SBTs are great guns, but up through 4Es are really pretty common and don't bring huge money at all. Even the 5-7s don't bring stupid money for the amount of engraving... and it should be noted that Ithaca routinely used much nicer wood on all grades of guns than any other major SxS builder of the era. I have owned or own two Grade 2s and both have exception wood for a pretty basic level of shotgun.
I think the Baker probably would command a bit more just on rarity sake more than anything...Baker doubles like the "black beauty are not uncommon but I certainly don't see a lot of the SBTs around.
just my $.02.
And DF, I can claim basically no part of the Pieper restoration other than writing the check and sourcing the buttplate which came from some GREAT help from a fellow campfire member who took a great deal of risk and bore some initial expense to help me get a duplicate made... great ppl here on the fire.
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PS.... look very closely at the damascus and tell me what you see... its pretty incredible if you ask me and is why I restored the gun... I have only a basic understanding of how damascus is made but this sure as hell has me perplexed on how it could be done...
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If ya like such things, and I do, that damascus is some of the most mind boggling I have ever seen. Thank-you, so much for posting it.
That ain't no Belgian clunker.
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My kids used to make fancy designs by assembling acrylic clay of different colors and re-rolling it and cutting it etc. This has to be something similar. Just amazing!
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PS.... look very closely at the damascus and tell me what you see... its pretty incredible if you ask me and is why I restored the gun... I have only a basic understanding of how damascus is made but this sure as hell has me perplexed on how it could be done... I had been looking at that pattern. A lost art, no doubt. It is beautiful. DF
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It looks like it is a "Pieper" shotgun, the name appears over and over in the pattern...
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It looks like it is a "Pieper" shotgun, the name appears over and over in the pattern... WOW, I just saw that. Wonder how one can make letters with Damascus patterns. I'd like to know more about that, for sure. DF
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Any of you ever see that before?
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Any of you ever see that before? Never, but I almost missed that one. And, I'm not a Damascus expert at all. DF Edited to add Pieper was a Belgium gun maker. See this link. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/5435981/1 I see some old Pieper Damascus guns on the internet, but their barrels are so dirty, fine details can't be seen.
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How about one of America's finest, a fluid steel Hopkins and Allen 16 bore hammer gun.
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That may not even be Damascus. It could be a pattern put on the gun to make it look Damascus. In those days, the Damascus gun had a better reputation than the fluid steel barrels of the day...
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