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Any thoughts good or bad about Titanium as a bolt action rifle material. Galling? Set back? Crappie feel working the bolt? High round count? Im thinking about a Pierce Action and just wonder if any here have used one or the M700 version.Or others. dave
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Very expensive metal/ I'm guessing 20 plus dollars per pound, and it's a flammable metal. There's a local company that machines it and their equipment is underground. And it takes special welding equipment, has poisonous fumes.
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Remington of course had their famous run of Ti actions, Browning too IIRC.
Never heard of anyone running into any issues with it when they wanted to do things to it. I know Stick had more than one rebarrelled with no hassle.
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John Pierce make custom Ti receivers. He will have Ti bolts also with toolsteel bolt heads. If you have the bolt and action properly coated it will be very slick. I plan on building one next year in 280 with a balsa carbon fiber stock.
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I have a chrome-moly Pierce and it is a wonderful action. To get the full story regarding the Ti, I suggest you call the shop and talk with John or Jim.
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I have a chrome-moly Pierce and it is a wonderful action. To get the full story regarding the Ti, I suggest you call the shop and talk with John or Jim. Yes, call them. You might get an interesting education on the difficulties of making then which helps understand the extra consumer cost. Don't have the Ti but I love my CM SA. They'll make it as tight (BR) or loose (tactical/hunting) as you like too. Alan
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My Pierce in 6.5X47Lapua. By James Anderson
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I have two Remington Ti actions. I had one rebarreled and the other has the original barrel but rechambered to a .284 Win. Galling is not an issue given the design using a hard steel bolt running against the titanium action. Generally galling becomes an issue when driving two materials of the same type and hardness together, stainless steel is known for this issue - note stainless steel actions generally have a hardened steel bolt.
I'll agree the actions aren't the smoothest but they sure are the lightest. No high round counts on either of these rifles nor any sign of set back.
Good luck with your project.
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X-Treme Shooting Products out of Ohio also makes a Ti action - here's their website: www.x-tremeshooting.com
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Beautiful rifle Butch! State of the art and classic at the same time.
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Crappie feel working the bolt?
This. I briefly owned a Christensen built on a Browning Ti action. For the dollars spent, it felt like a Stevens action. Sticky. For a custom light hunting rifle in that cash zip code I'd just get a NULA.
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Thanks ddj Oerlikon Balzers has been recommended to me for a tough, slick, and hard coating for titanium. It is I believe called PVD WCC.
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I have an Alaskan Ti in 25-06 that I bought new about 5 or 6 years ago. I've maybe shot 80 rounds through it but I've not had any issues with galling or rough feeling bolt. Its maybe not as smooth as an older Remmy thats seen some use but I sure like mine. I'd love to have one of the new Pierce Ti's though they look nice!
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The one I had felt gritty.
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By James Anderson Hi Butch, Wow! Could you post some more pictures, particularly one taken from the side? James Anderson rifles usually are pretty nice through the pistol grip with great flow... You know, just for me to drool over! John
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I have a chrome-moly Pierce and it is a wonderful action. To get the full story regarding the Ti, I suggest you call the shop and talk with John or Jim. Yup! John is one of the good guys in the shooting sports. He's a competition shooter (try to beat him every chance I get ) and invest time and money back into our sport.
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Thanks for all the replys. Im playing with the idea of building a 1000 yard 12lb gun for Ridgway.For next season im going to run an old Stolle Teddie rebarreled from PPC to 6.5x47.I have the barrel on order from Rock right now.Going from a 6mm PPC HV to a Sendaro fluted.Even with it im going to be close for weight. Eventually ill return the PPC to its rightful place. SO im looking for options. A 12lb 1000 yard gun is not an easy build. The Titanium just got me to thinking about different ways to loose some ozs. A Panda weighs liek 30 oz. The Pierce Titanium is going to be around 20-22 and thats with an all steel 4140 bolt. Im not convinced its a good fit for what im trying to do.
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Butch, That's a beautiful rifle!
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I believe Stu Satterlee makes a Mauser 98 clone in Ti. Incredibly beautiful actions but amazingly pricey - $6500 for an action alone.
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