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Zactly. How many 3-gun competitors are running eothings? Zilch. They run and gun with 1-4X, or increasingly, 1-6x scopes, often with BUIS mounted 45 degrees offset.

They regularly take out bad buys at 600-800 yards with their M4s. But hey I guess you guys know everything. All branches of the military have Special Forces units and some of every branch of service are stationed at Hurlbut FLD.

Bullsh!t. I've seen 'em shoot. 60-80yd might be possible for most of 'em, ifn' the bad guys are moving slow enough. Like I said, I've seen 'em shoot. They can all swim like fishes though, I'll give 'em that. Shootin'? Not so much.

You also demonstrate that you understand the external ballistics of an M4 about as well as I understand quantum mechanics

I like mine. Gives you that big screen, making eye position less critical. Also love the reticle.

I've served with them, shot with the USAF Rifle Team, and my son is one of them. One of his men killed two bad guys at 800 yards wirh his EoTech equiped M4. They practice reqularly at 600 yards. Believe what you like.

Did they teach you to age deer too?

I wonder if Swampy has any clue who he's arguing with...

I picked up an Eotech, thinking it would be a nice choice - and saw fuzzy pixels, I guess due to some asigmatism. The last Aimpoint I tried was somewhat better, but no much.

I tried one of the Leupold Prismatics, and it works fine for me. Seems to have a bit more eye relief than an ACOG, and costs a pile less, too.

I feel your pain tex, my aimpoint's dot is now an oval, and I don't think its the aimpoint. Put a magnifier behind it and it'll look a lot better.

This one time in the town of Rock Ridge, while I was bagging groceries....

I saw Mongo, and boy was he Mad!

I'm no specialists on anything, but my rudimentary experience with a couple EOTech sights has been very satisfactory.

I will admit to liking my 2.5-10X24 Nightforce with NP-1 lit reticle better.

Gunner

Lithium batteries fix the low battery time and leak problem.

The battery box issue had been resolved and is a non issue.

At least one of the bullets killing Osama bin laden was guided with an eo-thingie according to the book "No easy day". I was as shocked as anybody.

That said I still prefer my Aimpoint for house duty and a low powered scope for anything else, never said otherwise. And I do so owning and using all 3 options. No guess work needed.

Swampman700 - It's the terminology you're using that's not quite accurate. If your son is USAF, he's not Special Forces. He's a part of the Special Operations Forces (SOF)...like Air Force Special Tactics, Spectre gunships, etc... Same deal with SEALs, Rangers, etc... Only the Army has Special Forces (aka Green Berets).

BTW - I was in the 919 SOG, 711 SOS (After Five & Weekends), in '84-'85 as an aerial gunner. What did you do?

There is no such entity as Air Force "special forces". There are Air Force PJ's, Combat Controllers, TACP, and Weathermen in the Air Force Special Operations Command. Special Forces is a specific organization within the Army. Saying Air Force Special Forces is like saying Marine SEALs.


Furthermore, the opinion of anyone within any unit in regards to gear and skill level in shooting should be suspect at best if based soley on that affiliation.



Re: EoTechs. They break. A lot. The newer XPS models with the battery mounted sideways are considerably better, however they still suffer from poor battery life in comparison to other choices.


Re: Aimpoints. They are the gold standard in red dots. The battery life, durability, reliability, and longevity of the newer Aimpoints are unmatched in red dots.


Re: Speed in use. We are referring to first shot times, shot to shot times and target to target transitions. They are virtually equal. Just about anyone that says that they are faster with one versus the other has never tested and timed it. They are both unmagnified optics with glowing red aiming points. If anything, I have noticed that low to medium skilled shooters are faster for the same accuracy standard at close range with Aimpoints.



Re: Competition use. There is at least one person who uses an EoTech at the top level of 3-Gun.




Re: Military use. It is an issued optic in SOF. They go down often. This is known. A couple of top tier units generally prefer the EoTech. They have a unique mission. They have a solid skill level. They have the support to trash, turn in, or otherwise get replaced any EoTech if they even get the fuzzy feeling of doubt about it. In short they can get a new one at will. Can you? Even some of the more knowledgeable there prefer Aimpoints.

I don't really like the Aimpoint but I guess that's the way I'll go. I can't spend the money twice to find out for myself.

Just put a new EOTech 552 NV compatible on my PSA AR, great combo, I've tried most all of the red sights, I can shoot the EOTechs far and away better than any other sight w/ both eyes open.

552 has a spin-off thumb screw should it become damaged, and the PSA is outfitted with a nice set of Mag-Pul flip up sights for finish work.

Gunner

They are said to be better for NV use.

You'll get used to any system with practice. The Aimpoint shouldn't take too much time to get used to.

If you're using a standard FSB, get the LaRue Tall mount for the Aimpoint Micro (H1 or T1) and it'll give a lower 1/3 co-witness to the iron sights.

If you go with the Aimpoint Pro, I believe it comes with a mount that does the same thing. Some people don't like the provided mount due to the protruding quick release knob. But it's free in the beginning.

With a little bit of practice, you'll get used to both eyes open shooting and the lower 1/3 co-witness. You won't notice any "tube" with the Aimpoint. And the front sight will disappear in your sight pic.

As for rear flip up sights, I like the Magpul MBUS. Cheap and very effective. Some don't trust the fact that it's plastic. If that's you, I'd recommend the Troy rear flip up. HERE . It's a tad more, but bullet proof.

Good luck. Let us know how you like whichever set up you decide on.


P.S. If you don't run a standard FSB, then I would recommend the Troy front and rear set up. Lots of money in a couple of folding BUIS, but worth it.

About BUIS:

http://kitup.military.com/2012/07/back-up-iron-sight-drop-test.html

For carbines, I will always run MBUS.

MBUS' are better than they look. The front sight is kind of cheesy but it works. The rear is taller when folded and some scope mounts won't work with them.

I use Troy's mostly and frankly, I'm shocked POI shifted at all in the drop test.