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Originally Posted by Barak
Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.
Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.


All true, which makes it difficult to decide whether Barak or Bigbuck215 is the most incorrect.


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Alot of these government dependent people are people that are friend's of Barak's. You know, welfare dependent types who are potential inmates waiting for their next incarceration.

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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
Originally Posted by Barak
Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.
Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.


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Originally Posted by Barak
Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.
Bingo!

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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
Originally Posted by Barak
Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.
Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.


The private companies haven't failed it's the government and unions who have failed.

If the government and unions would get the hell out of the way mountains could and would be moved by private companies to get things going again. The same thing happened in NO during Katrina. It's always the government that's the stumbling block in these situations NOT private companies.

I realize I'm semi-retired and have the time to listen to radio and read the Internet which probably puts me ahead of the curve.


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Originally Posted by Barak
Originally Posted by KevinGibson
Originally Posted by Barak
Those aren't free people, they're government-dependent people who have been abandoned by their nanny.
Are they really?
I thought they were people who buy vital services from mostly private companies whose products or distribution systems have failed, and are now looking to the government for assistance. But since you make that statement, I don't imagine you understand the role of the government or FEMA in the instance of a disaster.

Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.


RIGHT ON!!!!!! RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!! YA, SOMEONE WHO HAS IT RIGHT!!!!!


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Originally Posted by Barak
Sure I do. I just read an article about a guy who drove his pickup truck outside the gasoline-starved area and loaded up a bunch of food-grade 5-gallon plastic buckets (because that's what he had) with gasoline to take back in and sell to folks who needed it--that is, an entrepreneur taking the initiative to follow free-market pressures that stimulate distribution by attracting resources from where they're plentiful and cheap to where they're rare and valuable.

The government arrested him for carrying gasoline in unapproved containers and confiscated his cargo.

That's the role of government and FEMA in the instance of a disaster: to frustrate the free market, assault and kill people, and maintain conditions of squalor and dependence for as long as possible.
Made my point for me, thanks.

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You're only half right. Here it's the union's [bleep] things up to get the power restored.

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
You're only half right. Here it's the union's [bleep] things up to get the power restored.


I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.


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Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.

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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
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I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.

Only if the government stays out of it...which the government almost never does.


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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.
In a free market, it would be, but that's not been the case regarding labor relations in the US at least since the Wagner Act of 1935.

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In this instance you're half right. I'm not seeing where the gov is blocking power resoration here in NJ. I agree that both are criminal enterprises by nature.

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Originally Posted by RDFinn
In this instance you're half right. I'm not seeing where the gov is blocking power resoration here in NJ. I agree that both are criminal enterprises by nature.


Well you are closer to the action than I am being about 2500 miles away but from what I understand the government has done nothing to shut down the union from stopping non-union line men from restoring power.


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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
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I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.


Collective bargaining is not pure capitalism because collective bargaining is based on theft. Nobody is going to consent to theft unless force is employed.

One person starts out with no marbles while the other person has all the marbles. The one who wants the marbles from the one who has the marbles uses force to obtain the marbles. That's not capiltalism pure or other wise.


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Originally Posted by derby_dude
Originally Posted by KevinGibson
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I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.


Collective bargaining is not pure capitalism because collective bargaining is based on theft. Nobody is going to consent to theft unless force is employed.

One person starts out with no marbles while the other person has all the marbles. The one who wants the marbles from the one who has the marbles uses force to obtain the marbles. That's not capiltalism pure or other wise.
Absolutely incorrect. In the context of a free market, labor may coordinate freely in establishing their price (i.e., wage) just as merchants may do so regarding their prices, if they like. By doing this, however, in a free system, both expose themselves to the risk of other workers or merchants undercutting them. What government in the US does, however, is to outlaw the undercutting part, i.e., interfere with the natural operation of the free market establishing prices for labor (i.e., wages).

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Originally Posted by derby_dude
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In this instance you're half right. I'm not seeing where the gov is blocking power resoration here in NJ. I agree that both are criminal enterprises by nature.


Well you are closer to the action than I am being about 2500 miles away but from what I understand the government has done nothing to shut down the union from stopping non-union line men from restoring power.


In this instance they've done nothing to help or hurt the situation. If they did try to step in you guys would be saying they are evil for stepping in.

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Originally Posted by KevinGibson
Originally Posted by derby_dude
I'm not half right I'm one hundred percent right as usual at least in these matters. Governments and unions are criminal enterprises by nature.
Legislatively perhaps. But collective bargaining is pure capitalism...supply & demand.


Collective bargaining is not pure capitalism because collective bargaining is based on theft. Nobody is going to consent to theft unless force is employed.

One person starts out with no marbles while the other person has all the marbles. The one who wants the marbles from the one who has the marbles uses force to obtain the marbles. That's not capiltalism pure or other wise.
Absolutely incorrect. In the context of a free market, labor may coordinate freely in establishing their price (i.e., wage) just as merchants may do so regarding their prices, if they like. By doing this, however, in a free system, both expose themselves to the risk of other workers or merchants undercutting them. What government in the US does, however, is to outlaw the undercutting part, i.e., interfering with natural operation of the free market in the establishment of prices. Wages are merely prices for labor.


As usual I'm right as I almost always am. In the context of a free market there is no such thing as collective bargaining. Collective bargaining requires a group of at least two and when you have at least two force always enters into the collective bargaining.


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Originally Posted by RDFinn
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In this instance you're half right. I'm not seeing where the gov is blocking power resoration here in NJ. I agree that both are criminal enterprises by nature.


Well you are closer to the action than I am being about 2500 miles away but from what I understand the government has done nothing to shut down the union from stopping non-union line men from restoring power.


In this instance they've done nothing to help or hurt the situation. If they did try to step in you guys would be saying they are evil for stepping in.


I think government is evil anyway but in this case the government has a legitimate function to step in and make the recovery move as fast as possible. But as usual, government is more a problem than a solution.


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