Nope not liars as they are reporting on their own experience which does not encompass ALL shot bear. Simply pointing out that a relative few shot bear doesn't prove that pea shooters will not give up lost game from time to time.
In most situations that pertain to the conversation at hand game lost is lost to bad shots whether poor marksmanship or simply taking poorly chosen shots... and to a far lesser extent to poor choices in bullet for the task at hand.
That is not simply limited to shooting .22 CFs.
For the most part(barring rediculous comparisons like elephant, rhino, grizzly, etc.) regardless of bore size if you pick the right bullet, and the right shot placement the end result is meat on the ground.
Yup there will be meat on the ground the only question is will that meat be found by the hunter who put it there. The question isn't one of the animal being killed as it surely will die but rather of will it die quickly enough or leave a good enough blood trail so that it may be found. The answer sometimes with merely an adequate round is NO. It's happened to me, it's happened to others that I know and it will happen to others who use such weapons.
Pretty bruin for sure. I still fail to see the reason or thought process behind taking a neck shot on a bruin @ 392 yds? Why didn't you just hit him behind the fronts or thru the shoulders I guess is my question?
IME the target of neck bone is awfully darn small on big game and there's a lot of neck territory that one won't find the quarry with a hit thru it. Especially on a bruin that isn't exactly well known for it's blood trails...
Not trying to bust balls but I sure don't track with your thought process.
Thoughts?
Dober
No offense, not trying to bust balls, but ask the bear... Oh wait, he's dead.
Seriously, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my questions as I'd like to know what your thinking is. Pictures of other critters and or saying ask the bear just don't answer the question I asked.
Thx
Dober
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Yup there will be meat on the ground the only question is will that meat be found by the hunter who put it there. The question isn't one of the animal being killed as it surely will die but rather of will it die quickly enough or leave a good enough blood trail so that it may be found. The answer sometimes with merely an adequate round is NO. It's happened to me, it's happened to others that I know and it will happen to others who use such weapons.
You're kind of missing the point of my post.
According to your own post you have lost multiple deer hunting with a .30-30. Does that make the .30-30 an unsuitable or inadequate round for hunting deer in spite of God knows how many head big game its killed?
I hunted caribou with an eskimo up north years ago that had killed 30 polar bears with his Remington 700 .222. He thought my Swift was a cannon.....grin!
Swifts and 22/250's. Lots of them. Never lost one either.
I've never thought black bears were very hard to kill.
+1 I have kilt a bear with a single .22cal bullet. Not to mention different buddies and family members of mine have whacked deer, elk and a few blackies also with a mix from .22 hornet, .222 rem, .223 rem, 225 win, swifts and 22/250... Arm pits and side slats are not bullet proof, death was quick. Mostly with std. soft points, a few partitions thrown in.
The caliber is not usually the first choice but with little discretion, fells big game the same as any other high power center fire. The premium bullets in .22 cal prolly give a little more edge for terminal performance, still boils down to bullet placement.
Many a mountain lion around here also have been kilt with 22 rim fires, magnum and long rifle, to save hide quality. Range would be measured in feet, as the cat would be treed or bayed up from hounds.
It's not what you shoot, it's how you shoot.
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Perzactly.....I've taken a few mountains lions with my little S&W Model 34 2" with standard long rifle ammo......easy to pack on a lion chase.....grin!
Yup there will be meat on the ground the only question is will that meat be found by the hunter who put it there. The question isn't one of the animal being killed as it surely will die but rather of will it die quickly enough or leave a good enough blood trail so that it may be found. The answer sometimes with merely an adequate round is NO. It's happened to me, it's happened to others that I know and it will happen to others who use such weapons.
You're kind of missing the point of my post.
According to your own post you have lost multiple deer hunting with a .30-30. Does that make the .30-30 an unsuitable or inadequate round for hunting deer in spite of God knows how many head big game its killed?
To me it does that is why I stopped using the 30-30. My goal is to kill every deer or bear that I shoot as quickly as possible with no chance of lost game when shot. The 30-30 and others including the .22 calibers are not capable of meeting my requirements in a hunting rifle. However if another hunter does not care to kill as quickly as possible and does not care about the possibility of lost game he may find those lesser cals. adequate. So perhaps it is a matter of our individual definition of adequate.
Pretty bruin for sure. I still fail to see the reason or thought process behind taking a neck shot on a bruin @ 392 yds? Why didn't you just hit him behind the fronts or thru the shoulders I guess is my question?
IME the target of neck bone is awfully darn small on big game and there's a lot of neck territory that one won't find the quarry with a hit thru it. Especially on a bruin that isn't exactly well known for it's blood trails...
Not trying to bust balls but I sure don't track with your thought process.
Thoughts?
Dober
No offense, not trying to bust balls, but ask the bear... Oh wait, he's dead.
Seriously, I'd appreciate it if you'd answer my questions as I'd like to know what your thinking is. Pictures of other critters and or saying ask the bear just don't answer the question I asked.
Thx
Dober
Mark, I shot the bear in the neck because it was a rare find for me that I did not want to lose out on, and I could. He was facing away (and walking away) and had his head down while flipping rocks until I made a distress sound with my voice to get his attention. It took several tries to be loud enough for him to hear me. He lifted his head, turned to look at me, but presented me with nothing but the side of his neck. I had been watching him and it was my last ditch effort to get a side view of a shootable piece of bear, which I got with the side of his neck. I had confidence in my rifle, ammo, rest, and ability. I was using a Nosler Ballistic Tip and did not want to give him the old Texas heart shot, as I didn't think full length penetration was assured. I did not want a gut shot bear to trail. I had supreme confidence in the accuracy of the bullet and rifle, if not the bullet construction. I knew the neck was probable, but doubted a full length body shot from behind with a ballistic tip. In my mind, I took the best shot. Now, open for scrutiny, but the OP was talking about 22's and bears. This was a 300 winchester magnum.
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Evidently the 30-30 guy never misses his mark, because he aims for the lungs. Evidently I've just been lucky with the 30-30. Even killed a nilgai with one in a contender. Might wanna google nilgai to see how small the big bulls are. 30-30 not big enough for deer. Gimme a break. And to think the one I shot with my 50 bmg, ran a LOT further than anyone I've ever shot with a 30-30....
Savage 99 dude. I never saw the reply, whats the average group size at 400 yards day in and day out from that gun? And the drop at 400 yards? I"m just curious how well they shoot, I've always wanted to pick one up but wasn't sure how accurate they were.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
Evidently the 30-30 guy never misses his mark, because he aims for the lungs. Evidently I've just been lucky with the 30-30. Even killed a nilgai with one in a contender. Might wanna google nilgai to see how small the big bulls are. 30-30 not big enough for deer. Gimme a break. And to think the one I shot with my 50 bmg, ran a LOT further than anyone I've ever shot with a 30-30....
Savage 99 dude. I never saw the reply, whats the average group size at 400 yards day in and day out from that gun? And the drop at 400 yards? I"m just curious how well they shoot, I've always wanted to pick one up but wasn't sure how accurate they were.
Rost- sorry for your confusion, I understand if you're skeptical about the 400 yard accuracy of the 99. If you go back and read the posts you'll find that the Savage 99 is not the rifle I made the long shot with. I was using a Weatherby 300 Winchester Magnum. The Savage 99 pictured is a 375 winchester caliber, and while accurate, I would not even speculate on the 400 yard trajectory! It's a great 100 yard gun though. My largest bear to date was killed with that gun at about 70 yards and iron sights.
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I've seen a large black bear expire quickly when my bud put a 22-250 slug in it's head. Of course he was about 30 yds. Don't know how it would have done at 150 yd or more. To kill a bear with a 22 rimfire, you would have to find a soft spot in the head probably in the eyes or just behind in the spine.
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My largest bear to date was killed with that gun at about 70 yards and iron sights.
