Home Forums Reloading Big Game Rifles No use for Berger VLD's

To the ignorant, it is.

If you have learned how to use a scope as something other than a glorified iron sight, it isn't.


758 yards, one 140 A-Max in right side ribs and out front left shoulder bone



The A-Max was too much bullet. Will go Berger next time.


934 yards with the .243 WSSM, 70 gr Nosler BT



Just right...

Then go away. You don't live next to or work with these "rude people".....

I'd say that these guys with all the good results can shoot better at 1000 yards than you can at 400......

Ignore, just a troll....

Writing style looks familiar, has anyone done a Larry Root test?

Tempting as it would be to paint all Americans with the same brush,I will not.Canadians have more class than that and so should a Christian if you happen to fall into that camp?Either way you are an ambassador,act like one. Generally you are a kind and generous people.I've always been treated well whenever I travel to the States.Unfortunately when one meets the brash ,rude and arrogant bullying variety it reinforces what the rest of the World thinks of you as a whole.Unfair but one never gets a second chance to make a first impression.If my ballistic findings don't match your's so what ,everyone is entitled to their opinion.I would have thought adults would have behaved better.You don't get a lot of new members here do you? Can't imagine why?

No, there's quite a few new members here. They just don't whine as much as you.

They have worked well for me, I'm stickin with the VLD's.

Berger hole..

Guessing that deer traveled mostly straight down.

...............aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah choooooooooooooo or aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah schitt. Whichever you prefer.

Then don`t use the Bergers. The rest of us including me who have and are using them, will continue to use them.

Berger whore..

Fixed it for ya!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stoney looks like your scope got packed with snow... Don't you know swarovskis aren't tough enough for a Canadian hunt....

Oh my gosh, what was I thinking? You're right, I apologize. I shouldn't have called you Larry. Curly perhaps?? How about Moe?? No, it's definitely Larry.

Now GFY.

Yep MOST deer cartridges & bullets can do this, if the shooter can.

#4 this year, today, 12-10-12

6.5X55, 140 Hornady Il. Instant drop and I hate to say it...
"eat right up to the hole" Yuck!

Almost an invisible entrance & exit thru hide.


But it's most assuredly dead!

i dont take pics of my entrance holes typically with the 130 TTSX because i cant find them in the hide...

This thread is a very good read - lots of real experience, and not a lot of bullschit.

Especially liked MuleDeer's post and the great pics from Pat and John.

I was shooting so many groups in the .2's with the Bergers in several different calibers that I was set to load up a pile of them and then the first time I tried to use them on that Montana Muley I had a Berger explod-a-thon out of the 6.5 Weatherby. Pretty obvious now that 3410 MV is too fast on 100 yard shots!

And I forget who asked, but the 6.5 Weatherby is just a .257 necked up to .264 (I think you can also neck a .270 bee down). McWhorter makes quite a few of them. The 140 Partition shoots just as straight in that gun so I've switched to them. Haven't tested them on anything breathing yet.

I have yet to try Bergers in any big game calibre's,but I did give them a go with the .223 on coyote's. I was shooting the 52gr bullets,IIRC. Anyway,that experiment is over,as performance was dismal. The first one I shot at about 200 yards,hit the dirt and then got up and trotted off like nothing happened. I found him about 50 yards away,dead by then. I figured maybe it was a fluke,I've had very few runners with the usual 50gr Vmax loads I use,or the Sierra's I've been trying lately.

Anyway,I shot 5-6 more with the Bergers,and they just kept getting up and running away,sometimes for several hundred yards. Decided that this particular bullet just didn't work well for coyote's but would still like to try some of the bigger calibre's on deer.

I hunt a lot and guide too.

I use 140 gr VLD with my 7mm-08 and 168 gr VLD with my trusty 7mmRM... except at short range if you hit a big tough bone you can't find a better bullet.... I'm very fond on 160 gr Sierra SBT but nevertheless the VLD is second to none.

by the way, I saw many game shot with Nosler accubond and some other bonded from sheep to big Alaskan Moose and the performance is on the lower side....

I use 95 gr VLD in my 243W for varmint and the performance is amazing too.

Now that is smart!