|
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 357
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 357 |
Adjustable illuminated reticles work. I have no problems seeing both my target and my reticle on my two low light scopes. If you want tools that work, buy tools that are proven to work in the conditions you need them to. Almost every scope I've owned including an old plex reticle 3-9x33 vx2 can put a shot on a deer long after sunset. If you want and are able to legally go all night you can't take any shortcuts.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
The best low light scope I have ever owned is a S&B Zenith 3-12X50 with a very bold FFP plex reticle that gets ridiculously large as the power is turned up. It's a great scope. The reticle is every bit as important as the OBJ.DIA. or coatings. Terry Never owned Terry's scope, but I have looked through a lot of Euro's and American scopes.Nothing beats the high end,30mm Euro's like Zeiss, Swaro, S&B,and Kahles after dark, for my eyes.I love aiming through those things.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,753
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,753 |
Life is just one damned thing after another
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 299
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 299 |
I also have the schmidt zenith 3-12x50, with a #4 reticle. The only scope that does as good or better than my binocs at low light!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,197
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,197 |
Here's a good one.
Luck....is the residue of design...
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453 |
Doesn't look like there is alot room for front ring placement on that scope. Guess a rail mount would be the order of the day.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 35,900 |
Here's a good one. Pat send it here and I will test it for you.....
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,722
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 7,722 |
Doesn't look like there is alot room for front ring placement on that scope. Guess a rail mount would be the order of the day. Not seen anything else run on rigs as serious as they use. Most don't have s&b's in talleys. Not being a jerk I don't own anything as serious as gap rifles and s&b scopes. Maybe one day
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 367
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 367 |
Actually, that's not true. The percentage of light transmission is the same given two scopes of the same manufacturer and lense quality. The only difference there would be the amount of image magnification. I disagree, RD. Here's another way to look at it. Take a zoom scope, let's say 2x-8x, with a 56 mm entrance. At 2x, the exit pupil is 28mm, and since your eye can only dilate to 7mm, most of the light hits around the eye, and only a fraction of the light entering the scope goes into your eye. Now zoom it to 8x, the exit pupil is 7mm and all of the light entering the scope goes into your eye. More light entering the eye means a brighter looking image. BTW, this is not my original thought. Bob Bell made exactly the same argument many years ago in Gun Digest, I believe.
Last edited by Jlin222; 12/07/12.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,792
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 5,792 |
Within the limitations you specified, a Leupold 6x42 with their #4 would be pretty good. I currently use a 3-9 Conquest with a #4 and like it better becuase of long range considerations, but at close range like you specify, the Leupold with HD or #4 would be great.
John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 8,744 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 8,744 Likes: 2 |
Single turn. Double turn PMII. dave
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512 |
222- one thing about your posts - the eye loses it's ability to dilate as we age, IIRC 5.5 is the max, or 5 for many folks middle aged and older. Not that a higher EP does not matter, but perhaps is not all utilized.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 367
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 367 |
65BR, You are absolutely right. However, the relative brightness still increases with power - up to the point where the exit pupil is smaller than the maximum dilation of the eye, whatever that is.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 18,453 |
Actually, that's not true. The percentage of light transmission is the same given two scopes of the same manufacturer and lense quality. The only difference there would be the amount of image magnification. I disagree, RD. Here's another way to look at it. Take a zoom scope, let's say 2x-8x, with a 56 mm entrance. At 2x, the exit pupil is 28mm, and since your eye can only dilate to 7mm, most of the light hits around the eye, and only a fraction of the light entering the scope goes into your eye. Now zoom it to 8x, the exit pupil is 7mm and all of the light entering the scope goes into your eye. More light entering the eye means a brighter looking image. BTW, this is not my original thought. Bob Bell made exactly the same argument many years ago in Gun Digest, I believe. I think we are on the same page but we are perhaps just using different terms. When I say that light transmission is the same, I'm referring to the amount of light that the scope is capable of transmitting meaning, for example, 90%, 92%, 95% etc. The power setting has no bearing on this meaning it has no bearing on the percentage of light transmission that the scope is capable of. For example, if you took say a Swarovski 3-10x42 set on 6x and a Swarovski 6x42 and compared them for light transmission, the straight power 6x42 would probably be slightly brighter simply because it has fewer internal lenses. Both scopes have the same glass, coatings, objective size lenses and exit pupil sizes, however, the lense system is different.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132 |
The best low light scope I have ever owned is a S&B Zenith 3-12X50 with a very bold FFP plex reticle that gets ridiculously large as the power is turned up. It's a great scope. The reticle is every bit as important as the OBJ.DIA. or coatings. Terry Never owned Terry's scope, but I have looked through a lot of Euro's and American scopes.Nothing beats the high end,30mm Euro's like Zeiss, Swaro, S&B,and Kahles after dark, for my eyes.I love aiming through those things. Yes, they take the cake at the end of the day. The FFP reticle comes into it's own as the sun goes down. At 3X. The bush is 208 yards. At 6X. The reticle is VERY bold. At 12X. The reticle is huge. Keep in mind the target is over 200 yards away. This scope just plain works in low light. Terry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 299
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 299 |
Great pictures Terry! I never could get them that clear with the camera on my phone, but they illustrate the reticle very well!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512 |
Sure works good at 6x Terry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132 |
Sure works good at 6x Terry The 6X power setting is an excellent choice in low light. I took a decent deer two weeks ago with this rifle that ranged 377yds. I had it on 12X for that shot. The 3-12X is a very versatile scope. Terry
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 16,512 |
Nice, what cartridge is that in? Ruger correct? Guess you hate to scratch up those pretty blue/wood guns? I was looking at your pics above and the fov seemed sweet at a mid power setting, but that was about half the distance as your shot. No doubt, not much you couldn't do w/that scope.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 7,132 |
Yes, it's a Ruger 77 MKII. It's chambered in a .264WM. There is a soybean field down in Como, MS I get to hunt. That rifle was purpose built just for that. I have a couple synthetic stocked rifles, I like and use both types.
Terry
Last edited by TC1; 12/10/12.
|
|
|
|
648 members (160user, 1badf350, 10Glocks, 10gaugemag, 10ring1, 007FJ, 67 invisible),
2,665
guests, and
1,399
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,097
Posts18,483,038
Members73,959
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|