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#7164936 - 12/10/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: rost495]
ldholton Offline
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i do agree with all you say but one must remember too that when tubbs was silhoutte king he was shootin a chin gun(not trying to take from his abilatiy) which is now illeagle for the game so a different stance was used as compared to a "hunter" style gun

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#7165460 - 12/10/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: ldholton]
rost495 Offline
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Yes on the chin gun, but IMHO he could have won under whatever rules where given him. But I"m like him, if it helps and is not illegal I"d be a fool not to use/try it....

If I"m not mistaken he also took a hunter title or two where I think the chin thing was not allowed either. This plus was using a 243 often that hit some animals but did not take them over.
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#7166798 - 12/10/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: rost495]
ldholton Offline
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yes you got it right it seems to me on off hand shooting one either has the nack or they dont. I do attened a few silhoutte matches even have a very nice smallbore range off the south side of my yard cathy (winsted) & james servin even come see me from time to time

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#7169276 - 12/11/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: ldholton]
BarryC Offline
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Stance doesn't affect shot approach.
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#7171759 - 12/12/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: rost495]
ChrisF Offline
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Tubb won the open title with what was supposedly an off the rack M700 in .243.

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#7177695 - 12/13/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: BarryC]
rost495 Offline
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Originally Posted By: BarryC
Stance doesn't affect shot approach.


my take is stance has EVERYTHING to do with shot approach. If you don't set it up right so that your approach is slowing to stopping at NPA being center, then you wont' shoot as well as you can.

If stance didn't matter then about anyone could shoot out of any position standing and win.
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#7178231 - 12/13/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: rost495]
BarryC Offline
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I didn't say that stance doesn't matter.

I said position doesn't affect whether you approach from the side, bottom, top, or try to hold steady. You can use the same position with any of those methods. Whether you use an approach or a steady hold, the X-ring is where your position should place your NPA.

We are only talking about moving the muzzle of the rifle about .030" (5 moa) from "out" to "in".
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#7178713 - 12/13/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: BarryC]
rost495 Offline
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True that. Missed that part.
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#7197553 - 12/18/12 Re: Offhand position Q [Re: GaryVA]
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Originally Posted By: GaryVA

One could even say that how you would properly mount an M16 for CQB so that you could be most effective at hitting targets on the move, would be a completely different technique in how you would mount the same rifle to shoot off hand in service rifle competition to clean the target with max X hits. Both would look different, and neither would work well if the techniques were flip flopped.

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This bears repeating. That's why Al-Queda killers and 3-gunners don't use Camp Perry shooting styles. On a KD range, you are concerned with THIS shot only. When someone is trying to kill you, you are concerned with the rest of your ammo loadout.

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