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If SHTF, any gun will at best be of marginal benefit unless you remain at home. I'd expect metal detectors at all locations, especially where you'll have to queue for governmental distributed food.
If FDR was able to force Americans to turn in their lawfully owned personal cache of gold under threat of $10,000 fine & 10 years in prison, government can get Americans to surrender their guns. Before confiscation occurs, look for governmental control of the Internet. That $10,000 in today's money would be about $175,000...
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If SHTF, any gun will at best be of marginal benefit unless you remain at home. I'd expect metal detectors at all locations, especially where you'll have to queue for governmental distributed food.
If FDR was able to force Americans to turn in their lawfully owned personal cache of gold under threat of $10,000 fine & 10 years in prison, government can get Americans to surrender their guns. Before confiscation occurs, look for governmental control of the Internet. He didn't try it. He did it. And Americans complied. Tell me, when a platoon of well armed and thoroughly trained cops show up at your door for you guns, will you choose to be a dead gun owner or a live complainer about how your government violated the Second Amendment? I kinda got you pegged for the talking sort. Let FDR try... I dare him.
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Don't get your panties in a wad dude. Looking at my post I guess you could read it the way you did also but since FDR is dead it was tongue in cheek.
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no Lord of the Rings stuff, I think you meant Lord of the Flies. Lord of the Rings would be Hobbits setting up a checkpoint.  The Hobbit motion picture, part one, is coming out this Friday OK. I nominate this for Thread Hijack of the Year.
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Don't get your panties in a wad dude. Looking at my post I guess you could read it the way you did also but since FDR is dead it was tongue in cheek. Hi Captain, FDR's seizure of privately owned property wasn't so much the issue as is compliance of Americans. I have a pronounced premonition that were Americans ordered to surrender their weapons, they will. There might be grumbling and posturing, but when they see platoons of heavily armed cops/soldiers/national guard troops driving down their street in armored personnel carriers, they'll dump their weapons on their front yards. With a few rounds into a home from an XM307 mounted atop an APC, Americans will throw their guns onto their front lawns. Before confiscation occurs, and I am nearly certain it will, look for complete censorship of the Internet. In fact, I'd suspect cessation of the Internet prior to confiscation. But I could be wrong about the whole thing.
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I'm old and I'm more than willing to commit suicide-by-police.
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Actually, the most likely scenario for voluntary surrender will be through the creation of an annual Federal property tax. Gun owners will be given the choice of paying the tax or surrendering their guns and receiving a one-time tax credit equal to the tax they would have otherwise paid.
In practice the tax might be a notional $2500 per gun. If you owned ten guns the annual tax would be $25000. If you chose to surrender your guns then you would receive a one time $25000 tax credit.
Suppose a gun owner decided not to pay the tax. Well, he would be in violation of the tax laws, as well as being in possession of an untaxed firearm, which would be the same as being in possession of untaxed alcohol or tobacco. This takes the onus of enforcement out of the hands of local law enforcement and places squarely in the hands of Federal law enforcement agencies.
When it comes to the bureaucratic deviousness of governments there are two things to remember.
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Some cats may resist being de-clawed. I'd hope SCHITLOADS of them would have the balls to band together in armed resistance at that point. If not, then we truly deserve whatever we may get, for we have become a nation of COWARDS and undeserving of freedom.
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Actually, the most likely scenario for voluntary surrender will be through the creation of an annual Federal property tax. Gun owners will be given the choice of paying the tax or surrendering their guns and receiving a one-time tax credit equal to the tax they would have otherwise paid.
In practice the tax might be a notional $2500 per gun. If you owned ten guns the annual tax would be $25000. If you chose to surrender your guns then you would receive a one time $25000 tax credit.
Suppose a gun owner decided not to pay the tax. Well, he would be in violation of the tax laws, as well as being in possession of an untaxed firearm, which would be the same as being in possession of untaxed alcohol or tobacco. This takes the onus of enforcement out of the hands of local law enforcement and places squarely in the hands of Federal law enforcement agencies.
When it comes to the bureaucratic deviousness of governments there are two things to remember.
(1) There is more than one way in which they can skin a cat.
(2) You are the cat. Very likely how they'd do it.
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How do you put the cap back on the bottle? We still have to work out a few details....  I' m thinking wine bottles.
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What if the government required us to carry a liability insurance policy on each firearm just like motor vehicles. There could be severe penalties for possession of an uninsured weapon. That way the rich people could still keep theirs. Others would be outlaws. whelennut
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Lets not give the bastoids any more ammo. They read these pages too you know!
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Some cats may resist being de-clawed. I'd hope SCHITLOADS of them would have the balls to band together in armed resistance at that point. If not, then we truly deserve whatever we may get, for we have become a nation of COWARDS and undeserving of freedom. Obama is proof that we deserve what we're fixin' to get.
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How do you put the cap back on the bottle? We still have to work out a few details.... I'm thinking wine bottles. Corks! Not all Ch�teau Pissoir comes in screw cap bottles nowadays. It's our version of an IED (Improvised Expectorant Device.) It's all moot anyway as everyone knows the world is going to end on Dec. 21.
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Some cats may resist being de-clawed. I'd hope SCHITLOADS of them would have the balls to band together in armed resistance at that point. If not, then we truly deserve whatever we may get, for we have become a nation of COWARDS and undeserving of freedom. Obama is proof that we deserve what we're fixin' to get. The American electorate wasn't given a good choice in that election. They got a choice between a neocon in the pockets of the big banks or a Marxist in the pockets of the big banks. We didn't get a choice to vote for someone who wasn't in the pockets of the big banks, who wasn't an advocate for one or the other big bank agenda. That's the way the big banks get their agenda through, i.e., by arranging things such that you never get to vote against it ... only for one aspect of it or the other. So, if you vote Democrat, you vote for an intensification of the welfare state without a pull back from the police state or foreign militarism; and if you vote Republican, you vote for an intensification of the police state and foreign militarism, without a pull back from the welfare state. So, step by step, we always move further in the direction of the police state, foreign militarism, and authoritarian socialism, never being given the option to pull back from this bankers' agenda, back towards limited constitutional republicanism, sound money, and free markets.
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The American electorate wasn't given a good choice in that election. They got a choice between a neocon in the pockets of the big banks or a Marxist in the pockets of the big banks. We didn't get a choice to vote for someone who wasn't in the pockets of the big banks, who wasn't an advocate for one or the other big bank agenda.
That's the way the big banks get their agenda through, i.e., by arranging things such that you never get to vote against it ... only for one aspect of it or the other. So, if you vote Democrat, you vote for an intensification of the welfare state without a pull back from the police state or foreign militarism; and if you vote Republican, you vote for an intensification of the police state and foreign militarism, without a pull back from the welfare state. So, step by step, we always move further in the direction of the police state, foreign militarism, and authoritarian socialism, never being given the option to pull back from this bankers' agenda, back towards limited constitutional republicanism, sound money, and free markets. Right on and that's the way it was set up in the beginning by the bankers. From everything I've read to date shows that the bankers were the power behind the throne.
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Some cats may resist being de-clawed. I'd hope SCHITLOADS of them would have the balls to band together in armed resistance at that point. If not, then we truly deserve whatever we may get, for we have become a nation of COWARDS and undeserving of freedom. Obama is proof that we deserve what we're fixin' to get. The American electorate wasn't given a good choice in that election. They got a choice between a neocon in the pockets of the big banks or a Marxist in the pockets of the big banks. We didn't get a choice to vote for someone who wasn't in the pockets of the big banks, who wasn't an advocate for one or the other big bank agenda. That's the way the big banks get their agenda through, i.e., by arranging things such that you never get to vote against it ... only for one aspect of it or the other. So, if you vote Democrat, you vote for an intensification of the welfare state without a pull back from the police state or foreign militarism; and if you vote Republican, you vote for an intensification of the police state and foreign militarism, without a pull back from the welfare state. So, step by step, we always move further in the direction of the police state, foreign militarism, and authoritarian socialism, never being given the option to pull back from this bankers' agenda, back towards limited constitutional republicanism, sound money, and free markets. The American electorate was given a choice in 2012: Obama, Romney (just as bad), Johnson, or abstaining. The fist two were horrible choices.
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Lets not give the bastoids any more ammo. They read these pages too you know! If you can deduce the end result, then you can figure out what's in store for us.
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The American electorate was given a choice in 2012: Obama, Romney (just as bad), Johnson, or abstaining. The fist two were horrible choices.
But our corrupt political system is set up to disadvantage third parties, to the point they're excluded from public debates and have a hard time getting on the ballots in most states.
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