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#7219575 - 12/23/12 12:47 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: steelheadslayer]
GrandView Offline
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Originally Posted By: steelheadslayer
Originally Posted By: Bigbuck215
Originally Posted By: DakotaDeer
What is your conclusions concerning which weapons were actually used in the Sandy Hook killings?


The only reports I have read say that a Sig and a Glock were what was used but that there was a Bushmaster AR 15 in the trunk of his car so now all the media is implying that the AR15 is the "murder weapon."


is what i'm hearing too, the lame stream media has latched onto that narrative like pitbull, too feed the "assult weapons ban" loonies.


Then you're hearing wrong. It was the "lame stream media" that erroneously reported the Bushmaster was in the trunk of the car.

Which they were corrected by the State Patrol in the following briefing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20751617

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#7219596 - 12/23/12 12:53 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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Ugh.

How about this. A deranged 20-year-old used either an eeeevil Glock or an eeeevil Bushmaster assault rifle (sic) to massacre a bunch of 6 and 7 year old children at an elementary school?

We all knew this day would come to pass. Just because it has, and just because it hands the other side the perfect club to beat on us with, is no reason to get kooky.

Know what? More things like this will come to pass. We can argue cause & effect & blame & solutions, but is anyone going to argue that the pressure on the citizenry as a whole will only be going up? God knows, we have uncountable numbers of very potent weapons literally everywhere.

When these things do happen, there's no conspiracy required to explain them.

We are at a very tenuous moment. If someone, God forbid, goes batsh!t and kills a bunch of people in the next few weeks, the political pressure will be impossible for even 2nd supporters to bear. Laws will change. Rights will be infringed.

Just to head off any notion that I oppose these weapons, I currently own a Bushmaster AR and a Glock. Both are loaded. Both are secured. Honestly if we want to have a proactive forward thinking conversation here, we should be debating ways to try to greatly increase the percentage of guns that are properly secured.


Edited by Jeff_O (12/23/12 12:58 PM)
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#7219626 - 12/23/12 01:01 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: Jeff_O]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_O

When these things do happen, there's no conspiracy required to explain them.
Where did I say that a conspiracy is required? I've merely stated that conspiracy is one of many possibilities, just as criminal investigators will, quite reasonably, include the parents in their investigation of a missing child, based exclusively on the history of similar past investigations.
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#7219646 - 12/23/12 01:09 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: Jeff_O]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff_O
.. we should be debating ways to try to greatly increase the percentage of guns that are properly secured.


Good point.
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#7219657 - 12/23/12 01:12 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: The_Real_Hawkeye]
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I'm not attacking you.

I am attacking this:

"I believe our GOVERNMENT shot those kids and teachers and used Adam Lanza and his family to pull it off.  They might have killed two birds with one stone.  One:  If these men are involved in the LIBOR scandal, they can manipulate their testimony.  Two:  they get gun control.  How very, very clever and efficient of them, right?    I hate to say it.  I hate to put myself ‘out there’ with this because I KNOW how I will be attacked.  But I don’t do this for anyone’s approval.  I do it to help the American People."

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/
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#7219684 - 12/23/12 01:19 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: Jeff_O]
Gus Offline
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the only two groups left that hasn't been interwoven in the Story are the Saudi Arabian Palace Police and the Israeli Mossad.

i think the Palace Police usually use knives, swords and such. the Mossad is more diverse in terms of their usage of weaponry.
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#7219712 - 12/23/12 01:28 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: GrandView]
steelheadslayer Offline
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Originally Posted By: GrandView
Originally Posted By: steelheadslayer
Originally Posted By: Bigbuck215
Originally Posted By: DakotaDeer
What is your conclusions concerning which weapons were actually used in the Sandy Hook killings?


The only reports I have read say that a Sig and a Glock were what was used but that there was a Bushmaster AR 15 in the trunk of his car so now all the media is implying that the AR15 is the "murder weapon."


is what i'm hearing too, the lame stream media has latched onto that narrative like pitbull, too feed the "assult weapons ban" loonies.


Then you're hearing wrong. It was the "lame stream media" that erroneously reported the Bushmaster was in the trunk of the car.

Which they were corrected by the State Patrol in the following briefing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20751617


i didnt see that report....

...no matter, they "the left" wont be happy untill there is a complete repeal of the 2nd amendment, and they don't mind one bit using this tragedy to do it.
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#7219729 - 12/23/12 01:34 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: steelheadslayer]
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Unless I see him carrying it on the schools closed circuit TV. I'm not believing much of anything coming out of any media or government agency. Governments lie too often to push the agenda here in America and around the world.

Even if its so it isn't a good reason to start striking down the constitution with the ass Hole in the White House right now.


Edited by 17ACKLEYBEE (12/23/12 01:36 PM)
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#7219755 - 12/23/12 01:44 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: EthanEdwards]
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Originally Posted By: EthanEdwards
Overall, great post. Could I speak to the other side of it...somewhat? I've been critical of the lack of facilities ushered in by politicians greedy to capitalize on what amounts to Psychiatrists claims that they can medicate patients into sanity. I think the criticism is worthwhile but at the same time, most of the facilities were places where very bad things occurred. When you think about it, the rise of Psychotropic medication has allowed a lot of folks to lead semi-normal lives walking around like the rest of us, where before their advent, commitment was probably the best option.

That said, your point about pschiatric drugs...and other drugs, having the opposite or near-opposite effect they are supposed to, is well-taken. And it also seems like sometimes the patient is not at fault. Many times the patients decide to self-prescribe and decrease or quit taking meds, but sometimes it seems like a med can be working fine and then just quit or have a different effect. Strange and concerning.

At any rate, this is the conversation that should occur as to mental health, not some sort of test which will, no doubt, throw out anybody who wants to own a gun as "crazy" given the overall liberal bent of the profession.


I wonder if anybody remembers back about 1969 when the ACLU was going to court to empty the mental hospitals because of the patients' civil rights being overlooked. Made it a lot harder to put a psychotic person into some controlled environment. Maybe the ACLU is responsible for all this mass murder.
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#7219764 - 12/23/12 01:47 PM Re: What weapons were actually used at Sandy Hook? [Re: g5m]
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oh, they contributed. that's pretty much a military certainty.
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