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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
LR may not be a large consideration for the use of this particular rifle, but bullets don't change fast enough when there are none, and you'd have to be a fool to recommend that a guy chamber a LR rifle in a cartridge for which there are no good LR bullets available. Just sayin'.


well said. Can't disagree with that.

But the OP has a 25/06 and it serves him well. Not aimed at you, but the OP has a 25/06 and it works well enough that he wants another. Why recommend something else, just because LR bullets are available?

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Ironic how the the 243 folks always have to use Ackley Improved chambers, match grade bullets, and extreme ranges to attempt to make their point. Hmmm!!

Hike a 115 BST from an 25-06 at 3100-3200 fps and you'll see it out runs a 105 Amax from 243 out to ranges 99% of hunters would never even attempt a shot at.

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'fan1,

You are talking out your azz...though that is hardly anything "new". Groovin' on how 700's chambered in 243Win is "rare" and how the .257" 115gr NBT with it's pedestrian .453 BC is gonna outpace a SAAMI 243Win,whistlin' vastly superior BC values at like speed. That's purty [bleep] funny!

For starters,the .243" 105 'Max is on the average 1.235" in length,though the .257" 115 NBT is but 1.200". Though on the "bright side" the 115 NBT do have a schit load more bearing surface and a much lesser profile,should that cheer you up.


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Then there's the fact,that the 105 costs less too...but hey,the 25-06 burns a bunch more powder to be a distant second place and you've got that going for you. 'Course there's the fact that a 700 will kiss 'em and that COAL will nestle mag confines to boot. You'll have to pardon my being afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess,while you play with your Imagination and practice your Pretend. Here's hopin' you keep doing so aloud,because it is funnier than [bleep]!

A leetle more extrapolation,to fuel your Imagination and to perhaps pry some more pearls of "wisdom" from your pie hole. Boolits matter far more than headstamps. Hint.

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Where do you amazingly dumb [bleep] come from?!!? Texas? Here's to the inherent humor,of your being forced to use you,as a barometer of "evaluation".

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Originally Posted by southtexas
Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
LR may not be a large consideration for the use of this particular rifle, but bullets don't change fast enough when there are none, and you'd have to be a fool to recommend that a guy chamber a LR rifle in a cartridge for which there are no good LR bullets available. Just sayin'.


well said. Can't disagree with that.

But the OP has a 25/06 and it serves him well. Not aimed at you, but the OP has a 25/06 and it works well enough that he wants another. Why recommend something else, just because LR bullets are available?


I'm with you, there. My comments were aimed at where the conversation was heading, not directed at the OP.

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I didn't see the direction this thread would take, although I am enjoying the discussion. Montana should arrive tomorrow, hopefully I'll get a break from work this month to go play with it a bit.

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Stick, your BT has lint on it.

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Boxer,

Run the data on a 105 Amax at 3000fps/.500 vs a 115bst at 3100/.453. You'll see it confirms my previous statement that the 115 BST out paces the 105 Amax. It's not until appx 700 yds(beyond which most would shoot at game) that the 105 Amax match bullet begins to equal the 115 gr BST hunting bullet.

The numbers don't lie.




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Originally Posted by Boxer
'fan1,

You are talking out your azz...though that is hardly anything "new". Groovin' on how 700's chambered in 243Win is "rare" and how the .257" 115gr NBT with it's pedestrian .453 BC is gonna outpace a SAAMI 243Win,whistlin' vastly superior BC values at like speed. That's purty [bleep] funny!

For starters,the .243" 105 'Max is on the average 1.235" in length,though the .257" 115 NBT is but 1.200". Though on the "bright side" the 115 NBT do have a schit load more bearing surface and a much lesser profile,should that cheer you up.


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Then there's the fact,that the 105 costs less too...but hey,the 25-06 burns a bunch more powder to be a distant second place and you've got that going for you. 'Course there's the fact that a 700 will kiss 'em and that COAL will nestle mag confines to boot. You'll have to pardon my being afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess,while you play with your Imagination and practice your Pretend. Here's hopin' you keep doing so aloud,because it is funnier than [bleep]!

A leetle more extrapolation,to fuel your Imagination and to perhaps pry some more pearls of "wisdom" from your pie hole. Boolits matter far more than headstamps. Hint.

[Linked Image]

Where do you amazingly dumb [bleep] come from?!!? Texas? Here's to the inherent humor,of your being forced to use you,as a barometer of "evaluation".

Laffin'!


Boxer, you're an ignorant cuss. You argue that cost, recoil, effeciency (powder), bullets and accuracy are important factors when we all know that it's caliber, what has always "worked" and mine is cooler then yours that kills stuff. Get a clue man, common sense has no place here!


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Originally Posted by wbyfan1
Boxer,

Run the data on a 105 Amax at 3000fps/.500 vs a 115bst at 3100/.453. You'll see it confirms my previous statement that the 115 BST out paces the 105 Amax. It's not until appx 700 yds(beyond which most would shoot at game) that the 105 Amax match bullet begins to equal the 115 gr BST hunting bullet.

The numbers don't lie.






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Originally Posted by wbyfan1
Boxer,

Run the data on a 105 Amax at 3000fps/.500 vs a 115bst at 3100/.453. You'll see it confirms my previous statement that the 115 BST out paces the 105 Amax. It's not until appx 700 yds(beyond which most would shoot at game) that the 105 Amax match bullet begins to equal the 115 gr BST hunting bullet.

The numbers don't lie.





WF1, your sig shows Texas Hill Country. A 243 will handle any deer here comfortably. Shot placement is paramount. I hunt in South Texas mostly now, and women and kids consistently drop bucks and pigs weighing up to 250 with 243's using really low quality Core-Lokt's and similar.

A couple of years ago, I helped with a group on an another ranch in South Texas. One guy used a 25-06 with B-Tips out of a 25-06. The results were a mess chasing wounded game all weekend. His placement was good, but the bullet would not penetrate. The wounds looked like scoops of ice cream scooped out of the flesh. He retired that rifle and the next year came back with a 308 and Amaxes. DRT everytime since.

Just personal direct observations to consider, that does not show up in columns of numbers.

If going with a 25-06, please use something other than B-Tips.

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Originally Posted by jeffbird

If going with a 25-06, please use something other than B-Tips.


I gotta agree here, and a .243 and .25-06(AI) are my main rifles, after shooting most.


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Jeffbird - I wonder if he was using the Varmint Ballistic Tips rather than the much stronger hunting Ballistic Tips?

Just because this past season I used the 115 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip with excellent results from my .25-06 on mule deer & pronghorn.

Complete penetration. Smallish entry wound. Bigger exit wound. Instant drop on both the deer & antelope. Bang - flop - exit wound.

Couldn't have asked for better performance, and accurate as all get out too.

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Originally Posted by GuyM
Jeffbird - I wonder if he was using the Varmint Ballistic Tips rather than the much stronger hunting Ballistic Tips?


Hi Guy,

Not sure. He just said they were 115 gr. Ballistic Tips.




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Originally Posted by jeffbird
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WF1, your sig shows Texas Hill Country. A 243 will handle any deer here comfortably. Shot placement is paramount. I hunt in South Texas mostly now, and women and kids consistently drop bucks and pigs weighing up to 250 with 243's using really low quality Core-Lokt's and similar.

A couple of years ago, I helped with a group on an another ranch in South Texas. One guy used a 25-06 with B-Tips out of a 25-06. The results were a mess chasing wounded game all weekend. His placement was good, but the bullet would not penetrate. The wounds looked like scoops of ice cream scooped out of the flesh. He retired that rifle and the next year came back with a 308 and Amaxes. DRT everytime since.

Just personal direct observations to consider, that does not show up in columns of numbers.

If going with a 25-06, please use something other than B-Tips.


Jeff,

My experience has been quite the opposite, as have my friends and son. I have used the 115 gr BST in both my 25-06 and 257 Weatherby with great success on Central and South Texas bucks. All have fallen right where they stood. Maybe your guy was using the varmint version of the BT.

Here's a few pics of a recovered 115 BST from an 8 point buck I shot back in November.
Recovered weight was 58.5 gr. Buck was DRT.
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Not sure WF1, as mentioned to Guy, he just said they were 115 Ballistic Tips.

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Huh. Beats me. I'm going to keep on using them - they worked so well.

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Originally Posted by wbyfan1
Originally Posted by jeffbird
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WF1, your sig shows Texas Hill Country. A 243 will handle any deer here comfortably. Shot placement is paramount. I hunt in South Texas mostly now, and women and kids consistently drop bucks and pigs weighing up to 250 with 243's using really low quality Core-Lokt's and similar.

A couple of years ago, I helped with a group on an another ranch in South Texas. One guy used a 25-06 with B-Tips out of a 25-06. The results were a mess chasing wounded game all weekend. His placement was good, but the bullet would not penetrate. The wounds looked like scoops of ice cream scooped out of the flesh. He retired that rifle and the next year came back with a 308 and Amaxes. DRT everytime since.

Just personal direct observations to consider, that does not show up in columns of numbers.

If going with a 25-06, please use something other than B-Tips.


Jeff,

My experience has been quite the opposite, as have my friends and son. I have used the 115 gr BST in both my 25-06 and 257 Weatherby with great success on Central and South Texas bucks. All have fallen right where they stood. Maybe your guy was using the varmint version of the BT.

Here's a few pics of a recovered 115 BST from an 8 point buck I shot back in November.
Recovered weight was 58.5 gr. Buck was DRT.
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No offense, but the absolute last bullet I want is one that can be recovered from a whitetail deer.


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