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And I did offer via a PM to take it back since he wants to make a major public spectacle about his and my difference in opinion, and apparently computer monitor resolution.
By the way, you cant see through a foggy scope, this one was very much see through-able, just that it was not as clear as other scopes I have. I have yet to see a 40 year old weaver that was as clear as a Leupold, bushnell or even a Tasco... I'm 47 years old and have learned about 3 things. Nobodies accusing me of being the brightest bulb in the pack, but the way I avoid issues like this is to refrain from buying marginal products. When I feel the need to "experiment" with one, I realize the burden lies on me for doing so. I'm not saying there isn't some intrinsic value in a Weaver, but I don't have any use for one. I've never had one that I've been happy to have on the gun. Others opinions are different than mine, I realize.
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You did right by offering a refund. I have refunded or added to trade bait after the fact on deals several times here, even when I thought that my representation was fair and accurate.
Hopefully this is now all taken care of.
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You did right by offering a refund. I have refunded or added to trade bait after the fact on deals several times here, even when I thought that my representation was fair and accurate.
Hopefully this is now all taken care of. I originally told him no to the refund due to the fact that the picture clearly shows how the scope looks. But after making a scene about it and obviously since a picture is no longer worth 1000 words on this site, I will take the scope back but I will not refund shipping either way because I do not honestly feel a refund is right in this situation.
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Duke, good for you for offering a refund! I am sure he would have done the same if you were not happy....
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...The scope was "clearly" misrepresented.
The seller has effectively screwed himself at this site, just like he screwed RAS. This. That is underhanded, to trick someone into buying your inferior product, through misrepresentation. We need a "Bad Guy" list.
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...The scope was "clearly" misrepresented.
The seller has effectively screwed himself at this site, just like he screwed RAS. This. That is underhanded, to trick someone into buying your inferior product, through misrepresentation. We need a "Bad Guy" list. ![[Linked Image]](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4oHCUj6-zsE/URF5dCPFZtI/AAAAAAAACRI/Bjz8APRGtv4/s640/011.JPG)
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And you're still trying to be clever.
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And another thing, he never asked for a refund, he TOLD me I was going to give him a refund, here is the PM I received.
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Hi Ryan,
Got the scope in. I wish I could report good news, but it is fogged up pretty well. I am going to return it and expect a refund. Thank you...Jeff
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And you're still trying to be clever. Clever?? By showing a factual picture from the original listing??? I am only trying to show I am not the bad guy he is making me out to be....
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Duke - quit trying to weasel out of this. You misrepresented the scope, plain and clear. Show me in the original ad where it said the word "fogged"?
It's really too bad that your reputation isn't worth $90 to you. Your posts above trying to get out of this or somehow justify it just prove your character - you should have immediately offered a refund and an apology. That's what most of us would have done.
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The picture clearly and accurately shows the scope. Agree. That picture would have given me pause as a prospective buyer, at which point I would have discussed it with the seller prior to purchase. On the other hand, $100 is just not that important to me to risk my online reputation. Good job Duke.
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Well I would have, had he not ordered me to give him a refund without asking or any other discussion. How would you feel if someone sent you a PM with a direct order without any other discussion about it? I am not in the habit of taking orders, if someone comes to me with a problem and asks me about it an adult manner, I gladly would help them, but I am not a 10 year old that is going to be told what I will or wont do.
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Agree. That picture would have given me pause as a prospective buyer, at which point I would have discussed it with the seller prior to purchase.
That is exactly why I agreed to lower the selling price from $110 to $95 as he asked. I was under the impression he looked the pictures over and sent an offer according to what he saw. Even cloudy as the picture shows the scope is worth well more than what he paid for it.
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You no duke, you seem to whine alot if things dont go your way just give the man a refund and move on. like you said its only $95
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I sent him multiple PM's with no reply and he shows as being online...
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Duke - quit trying to weasel out of this. You misrepresented the scope, plain and clear. Show me in the original ad where it said the word "fogged"?
It's really too bad that your reputation isn't worth $90 to you. Your posts above trying to get out of this or somehow justify it just prove your character - you should have immediately offered a refund and an apology. That's what most of us would have done. Bingo, we have a winner. I have hunted, fished and shot targets with about 12 folks on this site from CA to NC. Many memories have been made and many of them are my friends. Some nice bucks have been dropped. It would be more people if I could live in more places. This site is a lot more to me than just selling stuff. You see the seller has quite an Ebay account on selling things as well. Makes me think that it is safer for him to sell stuff like 'this' here and not risk the bad feedback from Ebay buyers? Anyways, I am done with this seller. I feel that it is beneath me to correspond with such a man of low character. My only goal now is to make sure that everyone knows about this and reads this thread. My original post allows for everyone to "judge" for themselves. If you agree that I have been had on this deal, please bookmark this thread and step on everyone of his future sale ads with it so people can "judge" for themselves. Sorry for clogging up the classifieds. Just doing a little house cleaning. RAS
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Duke, I am not picking sides. Again, I think it is great to give him his money. However, if I were to look at the last picture, I would see snow in the background indicating it was cold outside. I would assume that you had brought the scope from inside your home to take the picture and that is the condensation on the OUTSIDE of the lense. I guess I would be to naive to think about the inside. I am saying this to give you a perspective of a non-participant.
Again, kudos for returning the money.
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I agree, that picture does show a fogged up scope.
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You were taken advantage of and you lost capital because of a clever misrepresentation by a fellow member who refused to make it right with a full refund.
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That's BS. Send a refund and throw the scope in the trash. Is your reputation on this site worth $95?
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