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They killed him. They said it didn't matter how. I heard them. Yep, I have all the facts I need. He was killed and he didn't get a trial.
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I agree. He killed himself. That's all that really matters anyway.
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Ok I have an idea. Next time there is a person(preferably one like Dorner who has knowledge and training in military tactics and weapons handling) who has ambushed and killed multiple people both LEO and civilian, and has claimed in a manifesto a desire to kill more, and is currently holed up in a residence and involved in an active shootout with responding officers instead of surrendering, I nominate Swampman, hawkeye and richard austin to be the first ones in the door to arrest this man so he can have his fair jury trial! Al three bolted together couldn't muster enough testosterone to make a healthy testicle. ....
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I agree. He killed himself. That's all that really matters anyway. We don't know that.....
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I didn't know he wasn't alone in the cabin. Did they find evidence of a second or third charred body in the fire ?
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I have all the facts I need as it applies to this case.
George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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As I've said my only interest is in the law and the Constitution. I think they are important, and that the government is bound by them. When they come for you, you'll likely feel the same way. I'm suprised that gun owners don't agree.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco.
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I have all the facts I need as it applies to this case.
George No you don't have any of the facts.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. If you knew anything about Waco, you wouldn't be asking this question.
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I have all the facts I need as it applies to this case.
George No you don't have any of the facts. How do you know that? I know the secret handshake.....  I have as many facts as you do and, as you stated above, you have all you need. George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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I didn't know he wasn't alone in the cabin. Did they find evidence of a second or third charred body in the fire ? Perhaps they did, we'll have to take the government's word.
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Ok I have an idea. Next time there is a person(preferably one like Dorner who has knowledge and training in military tactics and weapons handling) who has ambushed and killed multiple people both LEO and civilian, and has claimed in a manifesto a desire to kill more, and is currently holed up in a residence and involved in an active shootout with responding officers instead of surrendering, I nominate Swampman, hawkeye and richard austin to be the first ones in the door to arrest this man so he can have his fair jury trial! It wouldn't be as much a problem if the cops just came out and admitted that they needed to end the threat before sundown, so they burned the cabin down. Lying about it is the greater problem.
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As I've said my only interest is in the law and the Constitution. I think they are important, and that the government is bound by them. When they come for you, you'll likely feel the same way. I'm suprised that gun owners don't agree. Should this operation have been conducted against someone who had not just murdered several people, more might agree with you. This is a poor example to use of overzealous police tactics given the facts.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. I don't see any correlation between these events as I don't know that Donor started the fire himself as it was at Waco.
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I have all the facts I need as it applies to this case.
George No you don't have any of the facts. How do you know that? I know the secret handshake..... I have as many facts as you do and, as you stated above, you have all you need. George An actual recording of the police saying they are going to burn him and saying it doesn't matter how he dies is enough for me. I guess that illegal activity is alright in your eyes.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. I don't see any correlation between these events as I don't know that Donor started the fire himself as it was at Waco. In both cases incendiary devices (the government) started the fire.
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I have all the facts I need as it applies to this case.
George Yeah, I'll sleep ok tonight.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them."
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I didn't know he wasn't alone in the cabin. Did they find evidence of a second or third charred body in the fire ? Perhaps they did, we'll have to take the government's word. I don't do the tinfoil hat thing Mark.
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In both cases incinderary devices started the fire.
And in both cases denied.
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