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It was I who stated that the police used similar tactics in the Waco situation and the results ended the same not that either incident was the same? Please feel free to reread my posts.
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Another Black POS where he does the most good,in the ground . Good ridden
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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....or he could have walked out and surrendered. He didn't have the intestinal fortitude to actually stand up for his convictions and, apparently, chose to end his own life.
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�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Ok I have an idea. Next time there is a person(preferably one like Dorner who has knowledge and training in military tactics and weapons handling) who has ambushed and killed multiple people both LEO and civilian, and has claimed in a manifesto a desire to kill more, and is currently holed up in a residence and involved in an active shootout with responding officers instead of surrendering, I nominate Swampman, hawkeye and richard austin to be the first ones in the door to arrest this man so he can have his fair jury trial! It wouldn't be as much a problem if the cops just came out and admitted that they needed to end the threat before sundown, so they burned the cabin down. Lying about it is the greater problem. So Hawkeye where are your facts that allow you to say that without a doubt that the police intentionally set the cabin ablaze, that the fire was not started as a side effect of a gas delivery munition, flashbang etc, nor lit by Dorner himself(which by the way would be a great way to make his admitted hatred for the police live on beyond him by people such as yourself saying they overreacted, violated the Constitution etc etc)
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. I don't see any correlation between these events as I don't know that Donor started the fire himself as it was at Waco. In both cases incendiary devices (the government) started the fire. Wrong. The purpose of tear gas is not to start a fire.
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It was I who stated that the police used similar tactics in the Waco situation and the results ended the same not that either incident was the same? Please feel free to reread my posts. No it was swampman on page 1 of the thread I was referring to.
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All of this was being recorded by media in the air and on the ground. As John Moses stated earlier 60 witnesses.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. I don't see any correlation between these events as I don't know that Donor started the fire himself as it was at Waco. In both cases incendiary devices (the government) started the fire. Wrong. The purpose of tear gas is not to start a fire. Finn I stated the same in a prior post too and swamppy still thinks it is
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Has there ever been this much stupid in a single thread?
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Has there ever been this much stupid in a single thread? Yep! Lots of them.
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[quote=firemanmark]And also doesn't the fact that Dorner ambushed and shot 2 officers,killing one, just prior to holing up in the cabin, put at least a little bit in your mind that he had no intention of surrendering. Since there was no trial, we can only speculate about facts. All we'll ever know is the government's side of the story. We don't need no stinkin' juries or judges. [/quote Too bad Dorner didn't heed your advice before he killed innocent people.
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Heh, a gun battle is in progress. Gunfire with intent to kill is going both ways. One man already dead, another seriously wounded. Only a [bleep]' IDIOT would believe to killing someone ENGAGED in a gunfight is "execution". SO NONE of you jackasses should EVER shoot back at someone trying to kill you. You would be violating their right to murder you with impunity. Oh, and if you DO attempt to walk away, he follows you and continues to try to kill you. DO NOT SHOOT BACK!!!! Retards. This.
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Earlier in this thread someone (swampman I beleive) compared this to Waco. This murderous villian went out and ambushed and killed several people and and expressed a desire to kill more in a manifesto. By commiting these murders and then when cornered engaging the police in a shootout he brought the police actions onto himself.Please explain to me how this in any way compares to Waco. I don't see any correlation between these events as I don't know that Donor started the fire himself as it was at Waco. You don't know how the fire was started at the Branch Davidian Compound at Waco. This deal has NOTHING in common with Waco. 23 innocent children burned up at Waco. No innocents died in the cabin at Big Bear.
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Has there ever been this much stupid in a single thread? I think it sets a record for STUPID threads WITHOUT DD.
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So Hawkeye where are your facts that allow you to say that without a doubt that the police intentionally set the cabin ablaze, that the fire was not started as a side effect of a gas delivery munition, flashbang etc, nor lit by Dorner himself(which by the way would be a great way to make his admitted hatred for the police live on beyond him by people such as yourself saying they overreacted, violated the Constitution etc etc)
Evidence available leads to that conclusion pretty clearly. Also, many of your ilk are admitting that it was intentionally set, and insist that it's stupid to deny it since it was necessary, and they consider it the same as using a firearm to do battle with this guy.
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Thought it was common knowledge that the fire at Waco started from inside. I mean common among sane folks that is.
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How many here who have a hard-on for the authorities have been found to be at one time or another on the wrong side of the law?
Would explain alot..
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Has there ever been this much stupid in a single thread? I think it sets a record for STUPID threads WITHOUT DD. Yup. Mr. Wheel is missing from Kookville tonight.
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Another Black POS where he does the most good,in the ground . Good ridden I suspected the views here we based on race.
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Thought it was common knowledge that the fire at Waco started from inside. I mean common among sane folks that is.
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