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how many cattle graze the CMR wildlife refuge?

Hell if I know Toolelk. I guess they think 'landowners' are busy calling up politicians and trying to get shady chit passed.

I will admit, I don't follow political bullchit much and really dislike almost all politicians.


That is what pisses me off.
A bunch of guys from out of state bitching and howling about ranchers [bleep] hunters here in Montana. Jesus Christ, grown men acting like a bunch of [bleep]' 4 year old kids. You dumbphuckers think the average rancher is busy on the phone pushing this stupid ass corner crossing and similiar bullchit bills? Outfitting? I could give a [bleep] less.

Seriously?

You [bleep] idiots.



I feel better now....laughin'

Either they start teaching biology in school a whole lot sooner than I remember or that was a weak attempt to discredit an argument you disagree with.

And I did read the entire thread. It was pretty funny. And I did read the posts by Rancho about bison needing minerals in their pellets. But I think Dober's post wins because it looks like he is asking questions with a legitimate interest in the answers. Maybe I am wrong, but it looks like Dober was the one who came to this thread with the most open mind.

I personally would like to find out how they manage the bison in North Dakota, Utah and Arizona as I don't constantly hear about the problems from those states like you do in Montana. I suspect it is because those herds don't have brucellosis like the Yellowstone herd does, so there was less initial political opposition to them being established. But I don't really know.

Anything new is going to have problems at first. I don't think anybody on this thread has made light of that matter. Except maybe Dinkshooter in good fun. We might need to rethink the way in which we do fences in some areas. Mudhen wrote a while back that buffalo are perfectly able to jump fences, but that their calves can't which is why they bust through them. Maybe this could be used to our advantage in designing fences that allow bison calves through.

Besides fences is there any other issue that worries ranchers? It seems like that is the primary issue that is brought up. That seems more like an engineering and business practices issue than a biological issue.

And I don't think that landowners are phoning their politicians all of the time trying to push an agenda. But most Montanan's vote for people with an R next to their name, and the R's in Helena are not exactly wildlife friendly. There have been a lot of bad bills meddling with wildlife management introduced by these guys that should be left to the biologists. But these politicians will be able to come back and say they fought bison and "defended" private property rights. And there was the whole deal last fall where ranchers in NE Montana were trying to use hunters as a negotiation piece because they were upset with FWP. I think it is pretty clear why people like Buzz are a little more than livid with the present situation.

Four year old kids? I guess calling people [bleep] idiots for disagreeing with you is something that is beyond most four year olds.

I thought I had some pics of the miles of buff fence Turner had to put up on the Ladder to keep them in but can't find them. Will get some pics next time I'm out near there.

Here's a pic, 2012 CMR, pasture where the cows lived for a month or two. Ranchers ruined it....Idiots.

Less and less every year. Permits are getting turned in on a regular basis. Cost is getting high.

I personally would like to find out how they manage the bison in North Dakota, Utah and Arizona as I don't constantly hear about the problems from those states like you do in Montana. I suspect it is because those herds don't have brucellosis like the Yellowstone herd does.