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Muley,
Gas 1/2 tons are now rated for something like 10-11,000 pounds. A diesel 1/2 ton should be able to rated for the same amount or more. Many people need a daily driver that gets over 30 mpg, but can still pull on weekends or occasionally during the work week. That is the niche of the 1/2 ton diesel.
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Seems like it would not be for towing as much as for better mileage and the torque would be nice for off road driving as well. If you are seriously towing heavy stuff, I would still go with a 3/4 ton diesel.
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Muley,
Gas 1/2 tons are now rated for something like 10-11,000 pounds. A diesel 1/2 ton should be able to rated for the same amount or more. Many people need a daily driver that gets over 30 mpg, but can still pull on weekends or occasionally during the work week. That is the niche of the 1/2 ton diesel. I honestly hope that they do get 30 mpg, but I seriously doubt it. If the EPA were abolished, they might come close.
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I see Jeep Grand Cherokee is coming out with a V-6 Diesel this spring also.
Pulling 10K with a 1/2 T pickup is a recipe for disaster.That truck is going go where the trailer wants to go.
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Muley,
Gas 1/2 tons are now rated for something like 10-11,000 pounds. A diesel 1/2 ton should be able to rated for the same amount or more. Many people need a daily driver that gets over 30 mpg, but can still pull on weekends or occasionally during the work week. That is the niche of the 1/2 ton diesel. You'll never see that mpg in a full size 1/2 ton truck with today's diesel engines. Expat
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Now if dodge had put the 4bt in their 1500's back in the 90's with an NV4500, they may have gotten close with the 2wd's.
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25 mpg would be a nice real world mileage given that the 06 and newer 3/4 ton diesels I have owned got about 15 mpg.
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Muley,
Gas 1/2 tons are now rated for something like 10-11,000 pounds. A diesel 1/2 ton should be able to rated for the same amount or more. Many people need a daily driver that gets over 30 mpg, but can still pull on weekends or occasionally during the work week. That is the niche of the 1/2 ton diesel. I honestly hope that they do get 30 mpg, but I seriously doubt it. If the EPA were abolished, they might come close. Persoanlly, i'd be happy to see it get 20 mpg.
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A half ton 4x4 diesel that averaged a real-world 20-22mpg would be good. A compact 4x4 diesel that hit 26-28mpg average would be equally good.
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There's mixed city driving mileage, and highway driving. My 3/4 ton diesel will get 21 on the highway, mixed city is 15-17, winter time with long warm ups and 4wd is 13.
I don't see why anyone would want to tow a 10,000lb load with any 1/2 ton truck. Towing is more than getting a load up to speed, you have to stop the load and 1/2t truck breaks are not suitable for such use.
The thing is there are lots of people who occasionally tow 3000-5000 pound loads, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, smaller boats, lighter campers etc,. For those people a 1/2 ton diesel that gets ~28 mpg on the freeway, 20+mpg mixed and 20+mpg towing a lighter load would be superb.
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There's mixed city driving mileage, and highway driving. My 3/4 ton diesel will get 21 on the highway, mixed city is 15-17, winter time with long warm ups and 4wd is 13.
I don't see why anyone would want to tow a 10,000lb load with any 1/2 ton truck. Towing is more than getting a load up to speed, you have to stop the load and 1/2t truck breaks are not suitable for such use.
The thing is there are lots of people who occasionally tow 3000-5000 pound loads, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, smaller boats, lighter campers etc,. For those people a 1/2 ton diesel that gets ~28 mpg on the freeway, 20+mpg mixed and 20+mpg towing a lighter load would be superb. I agree - for lighter loads, a half ton will get the job done just fine. Buy a 3/4 ton or 1 ton for the bigger stuff. By the way, just curious what you're driving. I get about the same mileage as you in the warmer months (overall average is just under 20 MPG for city/hwy combined) but I don't drop quite as far in the winter. My truck is getting about 16 - 17 MPG in the winter. It's an 02 Chevy 2500 HD with the 6.6 L. Duramax.
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There's mixed city driving mileage, and highway driving. My 3/4 ton diesel will get 21 on the highway, mixed city is 15-17, winter time with long warm ups and 4wd is 13.
I don't see why anyone would want to tow a 10,000lb load with any 1/2 ton truck. Towing is more than getting a load up to speed, you have to stop the load and 1/2t truck breaks are not suitable for such use.
The thing is there are lots of people who occasionally tow 3000-5000 pound loads, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, smaller boats, lighter campers etc,. For those people a 1/2 ton diesel that gets ~28 mpg on the freeway, 20+mpg mixed and 20+mpg towing a lighter load would be superb. I agree - for lighter loads, a half ton will get the job done just fine. Buy a 3/4 ton or 1 ton for the bigger stuff. By the way, just curious what you're driving. I get about the same mileage as you in the warmer months (overall average is just under 20 MPG for city/hwy combined) but I don't drop quite as far in the winter. My truck is getting about 16 - 17 MPG in the winter. It's an 02 Chevy 2500 HD with the 6.6 L. Duramax. My 98 Cummins does not drop that much in the winter either.21 or so summer 18-19 winter, 14 pulling a loaded 20 ft gooseneck
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It's the city driving and short trips that kills my mileage.
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There's mixed city driving mileage, and highway driving. My 3/4 ton diesel will get 21 on the highway, mixed city is 15-17, winter time with long warm ups and 4wd is 13.
I don't see why anyone would want to tow a 10,000lb load with any 1/2 ton truck. Towing is more than getting a load up to speed, you have to stop the load and 1/2t truck breaks are not suitable for such use.
The thing is there are lots of people who occasionally tow 3000-5000 pound loads, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, smaller boats, lighter campers etc,. For those people a 1/2 ton diesel that gets ~28 mpg on the freeway, 20+mpg mixed and 20+mpg towing a lighter load would be superb. And that's the category that I fall into, most weight I would tow would be no more than 6k.
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I think that Chrysler missed the boat a little on this. Had they got into the 1/2 ton diesel market prior to the strict emissions requirements a 1/2 ton diesel would've made more sense. With the current emissions I just don't see any new diesel getting mid to high 20's mileage. With the current cost of diesel, it would have to be getting 27-28mpg to have the equivalent fuel cost of an ecoboost.
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We have had a number of GM 1/2 ton 4wd crew cabs over the last 15 years. All of them would do 18-19 easy and many trips were over 20 mpg with the right speed/wind situation. That was with the 5.3 gas.
So, now with Ram advertising 25 mpg with the 1/2 ton V-6 (2wd) and the new 8 sp tranny, I would think (hope) that a small diesel could do at least 25 mpg on the highway with 4wd?
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So, the 1/2 ton diesel will theoretically only be an advantage over the gasser in mpg, and quite possibly not by much. A gas rig will tow the light loads like snowmobiles, 4-wheelers campers etc. I'm sure a ton of them will sell at first because they are "the thing". mtmuley
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I would be interested in a 1/2 ton diesel that got somewhere around 22 to 25 mpg on the highway. We rarely tow more than 7500 lbs.
My 03 GMC extended cab, 5.3 V8 with auto trans and 4:10 gears gets 17 on the highway and 12 towing and working around the farm. Average fuel mileage for most tanks is right around 14.5 mpg.
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I rarely tow over 5000lbs, but would be more interested in diesel if it was a mileage deal. A consistent 25 mpg in a 4wd, crew cab pickup might make me change my commuter vehicle back from a car to a pickup.
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