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I beg of you...alll of you...regardless of your feelings about SFW...please stop giving this windbag a reason/avenue to continue lecturing everyone.

He's full of more chit than a Christmas Goose and Mark Twain's warning about arguing with fools was never so apropos.

Never said it was offensive. I said it was entertaining. Please re-read what I posted. IMO, you were drawing parallels between yourself and Aldo Leopold. Something I'd consider pretty bold considering his impact. I found that funny. Sounds like you got to spend some time with the family. I'm sure they had some interesting stories to share about Aldo. I will let you continue to bask in a Berkeley legacy...

Sounds like Defenders lobbies for money to do habitat work, but doesn't put any of their cash directly into the projects. Is that a fair characterization?

You also appear to paint with a pretty broad brush regarding grazing and it's negative impacts. Do you think grazing can be done in and still promote biodiversity at a level that is economically rewarding for the grazer?

Predator friendly beef = no wolves to eat/harass them. My kind of beef! And elk. And deer.

I am not sure that I would agree with your characterization because staff time costs money and staff time was used to lobby for the funding and push for the enabling payments for private lands enhancements as well as hold the workshops with stakeholder to find out exactly which economic incentives would be the most helpful.

All life is about trade-offs. I eat meat and at least some of that comes from cattle. Grazing is always going to have an impact but a lot can be done to minimize the impacts by altering patterns, levels and timing. The impact is never zero but there are gradients that run the gambit from responsible rotational grazing with dedicated buffers for waterways on private lands to overloading on public lands. My preferences lean towards the former and away from the latter. There are large operations doing good collectively like the Malpais Borderland Group (http://www.malpaiborderlandsgroup.org/) and small operations doing similar things. I worked with a group when my wife and I were living in Vermont who started raising yak using similar techniques and their neighbors helped finance a local slaughter facility so that the meet stayed local. Both Malpais and our local yak folks increased biodiversity locally and made enough money to be profitable.

From the Salt Lake Tribune today--

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56012807-78/wildlife-utah-sfw-deer.html.csp

You guys really are no different. You both see the wolf as a cash cow.

So, the answer is no, Defenders has not put their money directly into a habitat project. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

Also thanks for almost answering the question of grazing and biodiversity...

Missoula Montana?

Ease up pointer, spending other people's money is hard work, especially if you have to have staff to lobby for it.

For pete's sake man, "Defenders" has lobbied for policies that helped protect prairie dogs, and the guy named his dog after Aldo Leopold!

This is a giant of the modern conservation movement you're talking to, show some respect.

Sorry iddave, I just had to acknowledge this giant among us.

I'm all about making sure the facts are accurate

Show one. Prove those places are what you claim. Waiting for a link.

Thank you for the admonishment. Proper amount of demerits awarded. I will do better in the future.

Is it time for pics yet?

Here's a pic of my boot and a big doggy track on a trail we used to pack two elk back the camp the day before.


I'm betting BF has many similar such pics he'd like to share with you.

It's obvious that the "reporter" for the Left Wing Rag, The Salt Lake Tribune, is a wolf-humping Liberal Dikhead. You'll have to ask Oregonmuley for more info on the other places.

Oh, wait....

Check these out after you get through humping bob ferris' leg...

http://hippy.com/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=90

http://www.yelp.com/list/land-of-grumbling-hippies-eugene

The dialogues here remind me a little of the give and take between hunters before a hunt. Like give crap to the kid who shot a hole in his neighbor's floor when he thought the shotgun was unloaded. Or my soon to be 93-year old father who shot an ibis that he mistook for a duck 30 years ago and whenever we see an ibis everyone in the group raises their guns and then lowers them saying oops it just a grampy duck. Every hunter gets that and understands that is the way hunters are and that is the way hunting lessons are re-enforced. What worries me here is the intolerance for the ideas of others and the concept that hunters need to have some monolithic political belief system otherwise they are not real hunters. That makes hunting and hunters vulnerable because it makes them easier to pigeon hole and demonize. If anything the hunting community needs to be more open and needs to attract more hunters like Michael Soule founder of the Society for Conservation Biology who started hunting later in life at the urging of his grad students and a philosophy professor. It is ironic that at the same time that I am fielding snarky comments on this thread that I am also butting heads with animal rights activists who just got outdoor writer and friend Ted Williams removed from the masthead at Audubon Magazine because he opined that feral cat colonies could be poisoned with Tylenol. It is an interesting and complicated world.

NO!!! Girly pics....

I still want to see some of BF's hunting pics.

Venison and Beef-friendly Grey Wolves in the Gila...

bf's hunting pics will be of him shooting deer in his cannibus garden with a Daisey Red Ryder

boy that proves it, you posted links from personal sites and blogs. Great job rc.