Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Civil war and the litmus test - will you shoot at Americans?

I've been watching this thread and thinking about the implications of the original question. My first reaction was no. HELL NO!. But I've thought about it some before posting a response. Forty-five years go, I made the following oath:

� 502. Enlistment Oath.� Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
"I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So I swore to "protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." And there's not enough information in the original question to determine wether or not I would fire upon an American citizen. I would have to determine in my own mind if that person is an enemy of the constitution. If they are then wether or not they are foreign or domestic makes no difference.

Here's my question: What happens if the enemy of the constitution is the President of the United States? My answer; I would "bear true faith and alegiance to the same" and I would fire upon any enemy of the constitution.

These threads used to amuse me, now they just make me want to puke. The number of posters on here that say LEO's are just chomping at the bit to shoot Joe six pack and take his guns/ammo/precious metals disappoints me. But I also wonder how many of them are basement living puzzy ass [bleep] who got a speeding ticket in their mom's car yesterday, and how many are honest to God grown ass men who have formed an opinion based on personal experience. (i.e. not watching youtube clips and reading internet blogs by other random losers)

I call BS. The administrations not asking the military that.

To directly answer your question, hell yes I'd shoot Americans to preserve America. I doubt they'd be leftists in that case, but you never know, and I don't care anyway. Anyone actively, literally, violently, physically attempting to destroy America is a dog deserving put down. Regardless of political stripe.

The freak show kook meter is running pretty high today, huh?

Defending the Constitution though, in my opinion is upholding it's ideals and tenants. Though it calls for an armed public, it does not call for the change of Government through violent means. It calls for a peaceful change of power.

That said, the federalist and anti-federalist papers do discuss and support the people taking up arms to protect themselves from a tyrannical Government. This administration is moving dangerously close to that. They are, without a doubt, the most anti-American, anti-democratic, administration we quite possibly have ever had. The American public overwhelmingly disagrees with every move they have made, yet they insist on forcing those moves on America. So, if they continue to ignore the masses, and put us more and more under their thumb, that is dangerously approaching tyranny.

Honestly, I don't think our Constitution could survive a Revolution. I think such an event would tear the Country apart. Even more than this deplorable administration has. So, to defend it, I couldn't be a part of a hostile take over of our Government. I just don't want to lower myself to the level of this Administration. Let them go down in history as the hostiles.

I couldn't agree more actually. I just think that our current Constitution lays out a way to bring that change about. For one, the states need to assert the powers that our Constitution gives them, and put the Federal Government in it's place. If it's not IN the Constitution, the States don't need to follow it. Gotta love those amendments! Secondly, America would be much more stable financially, and defensively if a peaceful exchange were to happen, and far less so under a violent one.

There is a time and place for a ruled people to stand up and take back their lives. Our founders knew and understood that better than we ever will. Our Constitution was written in their blood. They also knew, and supported doing so through force of arms. That said, they also worked together to forge a document that lays out a Government in which our people would never have to go through what they went through.

Enemies of the Constitution are enemies of the Constitution, what they call themselves is irrelevant to me.

He means if we get fed up with the direction this country is going. And we storm the capital (ala Kyrzygstan) will the military fire upon us.

And here is the post that resulted in my response...



This is not the manner that the Constitution has laid out for a regime change. To do this would be violating the Constitution.

Are you stupid TRH? What kind of question is that.

That's how you characterize Americans being SWAT teamed because they won't surrender their God given rights??

He and I have been pretty civil recently. I'm hoping he's joking...

He and I have been pretty civil recently. I'm hoping he's joking...

Loving and defending the Constitution is the exact opposite of hating America.

I admit, ya got me, but I held out hope that you had more character than thinking that I hate America after the entirety of my discourse here. Thank you for proving me right.