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How is that any different than anything I've said here? I would defend the Constitution and ALL that it represents with my life. So would they. And that wasn't my first post. My first post was me putting my foot in my mouth by asking about Mountain Lion hunting in California. Something I learned right then had been outlawed back in 1984  You would shoot Americans and protect your President with your life.... while watching him rip The Constitution to pieces? Something just don't add up. That's not the scenario that was presented in that thread. My duty was to the Constitution. Period. Take it out of context all you want but it doesn't make your above comment true. If the President violates the Constitution then he is to be considered an enemy of the State. The Constitution provides a means by which to handle such situation and it isn't via a coup. By mounting one under the circumstances given in that thread YOU would be in violation of the Constitution. That would make you the one ripping it apart. It would be my job to arrest the President and bring him to trial. NOT stand by while vigilante justice destroy the Constitution and rip the Nation apart. Attempt to bypass the Constitution and you become a domestic enemy of the Constitution who I was sworn to defend against. This is the thread.. Link This is your first post in this thread: As one who has worn the uniform, I can attest that I would pull the trigger. I downright detest Obama and the Liberal ideology, but I would protect my President with my life. I would defend the Constitution and ALL that it represents with my life. It has laid out a system to get rid of these idiots in office, and a coup is not it. Damn right I'd pull the trigger.
That said, I believe in America. Maybe I'm an idealist, but I do believe that Americans are the most ingenious, resourceful, creative people on Earth. Did I mention that I'm biased too? I believe that if we continue down the path that we are going, that it will indeed lead to a Revolution of sorts. I just think it wouldn't look like any revolution the world has ever seen. I don't think it would be through violence. I don't know what it would look like, but I just don't see Americans coming to the point of actually killing each other over this. We'd figure a way to revolt and not have a massacre. I still think we ARE that shining city on a hill..... How in Hell could this be taken out of context? Put your posts in order and then say it was taken out of context..
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I did put them in order and even posted the thread that elicited that response.
I don't know why you are trying so hard to defame my character but it's a pretty underhanded thing to do.
You are attempting to suggest that I do not support the Constitution by twisting my words. That's simply not the truth.
Are you suggesting that a Kyrzygstan style storming of the Capital is Constitutional?
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1. Americans have fought Americans and spilled their blood ever since the founding of the Republic.
2. There is no such thing as a bloodless civil war. In fact civil wars tend to be bloodier than foreign wars.
3. All states worth their salt ultimately resort to violence against grave threats foreign or domestic.
Many guys here have palpable fixations for azzhat schemes like seccession, clericalist rule, gangsta mores, mixed with pre-adolescent fixations on blood-spilling. Video games and zomby movies are more real to them than the lsssons of history.
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I admit, ya got me, but I held out hope that you had more character than thinking that I hate America after the entirety of my discourse here. Thank you for proving me right. I thought it was obvious because you had just gone to such great lengths to persuade us of the opposite. Just goes to show, if you're joking on the internet, you can never get away without the emoticon. Normally you can. I'm a bit defensive right now. I tend to get that way when somebody suggests that I would defend a tyrant against the American people by engaging in murder. Not your fault, but tone and inflection are lost in text and after your comment that the post taken out of context "explains a lot" made me question your angle. My apologies.
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I admit, ya got me, but I held out hope that you had more character than thinking that I hate America after the entirety of my discourse here. Thank you for proving me right. I thought it was obvious because you had just gone to such great lengths to persuade us of the opposite. Just goes to show, if you're joking on the internet, you can never get away without the emoticon. Normally you can. I'm a bit defensive right now. I tend to get that way when somebody suggests that I would defend a tyrant against the American people by engaging in murder. Not your fault, but tone and inflection are lost in text and after your comment that the post taken out of context "explains a lot" made me question your angle. My apologies. I guess I'll apologize for that. I just felt like taking a jab at you, and the opportunity presented itself. 
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I can't fault you for that and can't say that I wouldn't have done the same.
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I wasn't talking about a revolt, but a refusal to execute unlawful orders. Realistically, nothing I can do except go to the ballot box. The Congress has done about all in can do as they are only 1/3 of the equation. I just don't believe for one second the bulk of the armed forces would obey a president turned despot to shoot civilians.
Here's another data point to consider; when you find yourself on the same side of the equation with the likes of TRH and Barak, I'd rethink my position.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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These threads used to amuse me, now they just make me want to puke. The number of posters on here that say LEO's are just chomping at the bit to shoot Joe six pack and take his guns/ammo/precious metals disappoints me. But I also wonder how many of them are basement living puzzy ass [bleep] who got a speeding ticket in their mom's car yesterday, and how many are honest to God grown ass men who have formed an opinion based on personal experience. (i.e. not watching youtube clips and reading internet blogs by other random losers)
Well said/
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I admit, ya got me, but I held out hope that you had more character than thinking that I hate America after the entirety of my discourse here. Thank you for proving me right. I thought it was obvious because you had just gone to such great lengths to persuade us of the opposite. Just goes to show, if you're joking on the internet, you can never get away without the emoticon. Normally you can. I'm a bit defensive right now. I tend to get that way when somebody suggests that I would defend a tyrant against the American people by engaging in murder. Not your fault, but tone and inflection are lost in text and after your comment that the post taken out of context "explains a lot" made me question your angle. My apologies. It's your words straight from the thread. Don't blame me for what you posted. Have you changed your mind? I see where you [bleep] up and that is when you said that you would kill US Citizens for the president... Obama. That should have been for the Constitution. You need to bite the bullet on this as your character was not impuned by me, but was self inflicted. 
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It's funny to me how those who have never served chant the mantra of "they're trained to follow orders" like they are mindless robots. Although it's true that we are trained to follow orders, we are also trained to question their legalities.
If we participate in an unlawful order, it's our butts on the line as individuals when the smoke settles. We will be the one's to face criminal charges. Rightfully so.
It's just one of many things that makes our Military stand apart from military's across the globe.
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I admit, ya got me, but I held out hope that you had more character than thinking that I hate America after the entirety of my discourse here. Thank you for proving me right. I thought it was obvious because you had just gone to such great lengths to persuade us of the opposite. Just goes to show, if you're joking on the internet, you can never get away without the emoticon. Normally you can. I'm a bit defensive right now. I tend to get that way when somebody suggests that I would defend a tyrant against the American people by engaging in murder. Not your fault, but tone and inflection are lost in text and after your comment that the post taken out of context "explains a lot" made me question your angle. My apologies. It's your words straight from the thread. Don't blame me for what you posted. Have you changed your mind? I see where you [bleep] up and that is when you said that you would kill US Citizens for the president... Obama. That should have been for the Constitution. You need to bite the bullet on this as the wound to your character was not impuned by me, but was self inflicted. Go reread what I posted and save yourself from being such a fool. You continue to misconstrue the facts intentionally. What I can't figure out is why...
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It's funny to me how those who have never served chant the mantra of "they're trained to follow orders" like they are mindless robots. Although it's true that we are trained to follow orders, we are also trained to question their legalities.
If we participate in an unlawful order, it's our butts on the line as individuals when the smoke settles. We will be the one's to face criminal charges. Rightfully so.
It's just one of many things that makes our Military stand apart from military's across the globe. "The temper of soldiers, habituated at once to violence and to slavery, renders them very unfit guardians of a legal, or even a civil, constitution." Edward Gibbon
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40 years ago in Basic Training we had classes on legal vs. illegal orders, and that "I was just following orders" was no excuse.
I want to say these were a response to My Lai and a few other incidents during the Vietnam War, but I don't know that for a fact.
Fact.
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It's funny to me how those who have never served chant the mantra of "they're trained to follow orders" like they are mindless robots. Although it's true that we are trained to follow orders, we are also trained to question their legalities.
If we participate in an unlawful order, it's our butts on the line as individuals when the smoke settles. We will be the one's to face criminal charges. Rightfully so.
It's just one of many things that makes our Military stand apart from military's across the globe. "The temper of soldiers, habituated at once to violence and to slavery, renders them very unfit guardians of a legal, or even a civil, constitution." Edward Gibbon Now you're just being mean! I'd respond to Mr. Gibbon that the same must be true for a man defending his home from invaders.
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See, I believe that the Constitution is the most liberating document ever penned. The bastardization of it over time has been anti-freedom. Well, if it can't or won't prevent that bastardization, then it's not very liberating. I'm talking practice here, not theory--but even in theory it carries within itself the seeds of its own failure. If you hold the premise that the people is America and given the direction that the people are calling for us to go, where does that leave liberty? For me, America includes the people but is more than the people. It's also a set of ideas about individual liberty and personal responsibility that stand largely betrayed by politicians, the Constitution, and in significant part the people themselves. And of course there's the land, the history, the achievements, and the failures. For me, the Constitution defines America. It's possible that the people and/or the Government can be anti-American. But reality has now been so far divorced from the Constitution that such a definition must necessarily define a number of things that simply aren't so anymore, if they ever really were.
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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As one who has worn the uniform, I can attest that I would pull the trigger. I downright detest Obama and the Liberal ideology, but I would protect my President with my life. Your words, not mine. Put them in context and they still say the same. Man when you step in [bleep] there ain't much to do as you can't un-step [bleep].. you got to clean your foot and keep on stepin, watching where you step a bit closer in the future.. Won't spend much time on arguing with you.. as most every thread you participate in winds up in some sort of rhubarb.. and you are always in the right. Happy Easter to ya HAJ! 
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Any and every document can be bastardized. There is no preventing that. Just look what people have done with the Bible...
I like your second paragraph above. I think that's a good summation of America, minus the Constitution having betrayed America.
I don't feel that we are at where you feel we are at in your last paragraph, but I do feel that we have been heading in that direction for some time.
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As one who has worn the uniform, I can attest that I would pull the trigger. I downright detest Obama and the Liberal ideology, but I would protect my President with my life. Your words, not mine. Put them in context and they still say the same. Man when you step in [bleep] there ain't much to do as you can't un-step [bleep].. you got to clean your foot and keep on stepin, watching where you step a bit closer in the future.. Won't spend much time on arguing with you.. as most every thread you participate in winds up in some sort of rhubarb.. and you are always in the right. Happy Easter to ya HAJ! Post the very next sentence of that quote... If you were being sincere you'd include that. You'd also include what was being discussed in that thread. Since you won't it's clear to see that your objective is to defame me. Sadly the only way that you can do so is to twist and take things out of context. Do you seriously have so little honor? I'll be praying for you this Easter.
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I guess we know how you view the Aurora Colorado murderer and his conversion to Islam No longer a cold blooded murderer but a POW.. Taken from this thread. https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthread..._Numb_Nut_Alert_Aurora_Kille#Post7577783If the context doesn't matter then we should conclude that you're a Muslim and see him as a fellow Holy Warrior. I mean these are your words and the entirety of your post. This is the equivalent of what you are doing with my post except you intentionally chose to neglect the sentence that puts my comment all in context. You know, the sentence that says that I will defend the Constitution and ALL that it represents.
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Any and every document can be bastardized. There is no preventing that. Just look what people have done with the Bible... I'm not saying I have a Constitution that's better; I'm just saying the one we have has not proven to be particularly liberating. Documents don't liberate people anyway, no matter how expertly they're conceived and written: documents sit on a shelf and get dusty. People liberate themselves, if they're of a mind to, documents notwithstanding. I like your second paragraph above. I think that's a good summation of America, minus the Constitution having betrayed America. Obviously we disagree about the Constitution, but it's good that we can agree on something, anyway. I don't feel that we are at where you feel we are at in your last paragraph, but I do feel that we have been heading in that direction for some time. So maybe you'd go with Claire Wolfe? "America is at that awkward stage where it's too late to work through the system, but still too early to start shooting the bastards."
"But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain--that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." --Lysander Spooner, 1867
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