Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire A universal backgound check bill or law we could all support.

It seems to me that a couple of years ago the NRA and many gun owners were proposing a universal backgound checks bill and law that would have closed the so called and over hyped gun show looophole but not messed with gun shows and such by giving EVERY ONE access to the NICS system or with a one time NICS check that provided all qualified gun buyers with a picture ID card that allowed them to make any gun purchase from then on without haveing to wait etc. And no paper trail on the gun or purchase.

Would you support one of these ideas? If not whay not and what system WOULD you support that would weed out those who should not be able to make a gun purchase from doing so? How, in your mind, can this be done - or can it- without infringing on our rights or screwing up gun shows etc?

What part of "No" don't you guys understand?

Nope. I feel everything is in place.

As long as political motives keep unlawful practices from being enforced, I'm not about supporting anything that is going to be intruding on my "free exercise thereof"....

Its time for "common sense" enforcement.

We cannot give the antiguncocksuckkers anything they would consider a victory. It will only encourage them to try and pass more crap on the road to their dream of law abiding citizens not being allowed to own any type of gun.

safariman, in the Harkin Amendment there was a provision for creating a federal internet portal where a person could do a background check only on themselves and print off a 30 day permit, complete with serial number and ability to verify the permit is valid via phone. No records are kept or communicated about who prints off their background check permits.

I would support that as a purely voluntary method of background check - especially if it could be used to allow a person to buy firearms from private sellers out of state. As a seller, if you're selling to somebody you don't know - simply ask them to do the free background check on themselves and you can validate it. No records kept of firearms transfer, no permanent records kept that the person got the background check, and seller can be sure the buyer isn't a prohibited person.

I'm NOT in favor of the federal government mandating ANY requirements for background checks between private sellers in the same state. They simply have no authority to legislate that.

Cal, it sure would be nice if the proposed language just said so in Plain English, would it not?
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I've sometimes considered that backgrouns checks on everyone might work.

Everyone would be checked when they renew their license. Every driver's license in the country would simply say "Eligible to possess firearm?" and then yes/no. Everyone would have that line on their license, regardless of whether or not they wanted to own a gun.

44henry

If a felon/psycho. can't be trusted with a gun in public they shouldn't be allowed out of prison/psych ward, period.

Back ground checks are nothing more than an acknowledgment of the failures of the prison system and psych. industry to rehab. their wards.

44henry, I don't like that as a mandatory field - too prejudicial against prohibited persons. Remember that you have to provide a DL every time you apply for a job. But I've thought it's not a bad option as an optional field. If a person chooses to have it printed on their DL, let them. Since it's state validated and is issued every 5 years or less than it would count as a background check within the state.

Just enforce existing laws. Sweep the inner cities for gang bangers carrying illegal guns and do something about them instead of the revolving door. There are many thousands of teenage gang members packing illegal guns. Start locking them up for their crimes and see how fast gun crime decreases.

NO! We have Form 4473. The "gun show loophole" is overblown bullshit.

I do agree with you on that SBTCO.

44henry

We don't have form 4473 for private sales.

It's the people not the tool used. Remember about 13% of the population commit roughly half the murders in this country.

Facing the truth isn't always easy.

No gun law including the GCA of 1968 have reduced crime or murder.

Wake the [bleep] up people

Maybe it's late at night and I'm just grumpy from all the bad news lately, but how many wacko's end up with their gun of choice from a purchase? Or, like Sandy Hook, get them from someone else, or steal them? Criminals don't buy from a dealer and do background checks, and yet they get a gun if they want one. Any new gun law short of the full blown deal isn't going to do squat to anyone (but us).

Correct, and we can't/don't/won't ever be able to effectively control the private sale of firearms, or anything else for that matter.

I never proposed controlling it.. I pointed to a voluntary self background check that seller and buyer could use if the seller was worried about the buyer. Right now if a seller has a doubt about a buyer, the only thing he can do is to refuse to sell. Here's a way for the buyer to reassure the seller with no gov't involvement or records.

ESPECIALLY if it would legally allow a guy to buy at least rifles/shotguns across state lines from a private seller.

There's that "allow" word.

I've also thought about that. Some form of check on everybody and not just those who want to buy guns. It could be indicated on the drivers license and be checked every time you renew the license. The government would not know who was actually buying a gun and a seller could easily check before selling.

How about "American Citizen? Yes? Ok, it's your right, you can buy and posess whatever you want"

Good enough for me. It's not like you need a background check to excercise any other rights guaranteed by the Constitution.