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I don't complain here that I can't find my brand and make of mixed nuts, or ethanol free gas
I would suggest we don't deal in nuts or gas around here, but quickly realized that is not the case.


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Maybe I'm tired of the people pissing and moaning about the people who didn't "hoard" enough....

Is there a fine line between hoarding and greed?


Har, Har. There is no such thing as hoarding enough.

You sound a whisker envious of folks such as myself who hoarded a lions share of equipment. whistle
I believe in the market finding its own level and I foresaw something like this and have a pretty decent stock. Most folks are greedy, given the opportunity to exercise that vice. I gotta admit too that I'm more than a whisker envious of those who have a "lion's share"...and I may have more than I'll ever use. How's that for greed? lol

But all that said, there's a difference in hoarding for your own use and trying to corner the market. A free market is one thing, but is it really a "free" market when the Hunt Brothers attempt to buy control of the silver market? I have gone to gunshows pretty steadily through this whole Sandy Hook thing. Around here AR's are just falling off the tables they are so plentiful, and I don't see a lot of them selling. Lots of them sure look like they came straight from Walmart and there are reports of Walmart having had them come in steadily all the way through this episode but having them go out just as quickly. So you're looking at guys going down and scoring them from their buddies who work in Sporting Goods, for like $600 and then trying to sell them for double or over. Cool. That's fine. But I dunno, it just seems like lots of these guys scarf 'em all up and then put unrealistic prices on them and try to drive the market up. Seems like faux-scarcity. The ammo seems more genuinely scarce, especially .22, but other than that caliber, it is available as re-sale stuff from Walmart and through these same guys. lol $60-80 for a $40 box of 100 Federal 223's.

Bottom line is kinda...I dunno. I feel the same way Scott does. Admittedly some folks just don't have the money for things, but lots more don't when stuff like this happens. Also there is the youth thing. Lots of youngsters weren't old enough to get an AR, ammo or components before a given spike in prices, then they turn 18 and stuff is out of their price-range.

I guess all I'm saying is, I don't mind a guy getting what they can, but at the same time I have sympathy for those who can't afford stuff. Not so much sympathy for some guy who bought a boat or something instead of guns, ammo and components. He made a choice. The other dude's either weren't old enough or had to choose between that and feeding their families.

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Originally Posted by George_in_SD
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George, it may just my way of looking at things, but I've always felt when someone does not like the topic of a thread that is posted, their best choice is not to click on it, rather than complaining about the topic. It works for me. You might try it.


I can respect your methodologies, most definitely. I'm not sure how I happenstance upon folks complaining about their woes. But I'll be damned it sure does happen often, even against my best efforts.

I don't complain here that I can't find my brand and make of mixed nuts, or ethanol free gas. Why can't I expect a similar courtesy ?


Not only do I need more reloading compoents.....but I'm paying way too much for ethanol free gas, my brand of ground coffee took a 12% reduction in size but remains the same price, half gallons of ice cream are now 1.5 quarts, 90% of boys today badly need a haircut, lazy welfare leeches get a larger tax return than I do, and John Wayne isn't making any new movies..................and did I mention reloading components?!

I could go on, but aparently you're tired of whiners.grin


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Scott, I am close enough by and have some I could spare if and when you need in order to introduce someone to firearms. Just give a shout.

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Not only do I need more reloading compoents.....but I'm paying way too much for ethanol free gas, my brand of ground coffee took a 12% reduction in size but remains the same price, half gallons of ice cream are now 1.5 quarts, 90% of boys today badly need a haircut, lazy welfare leeches get a larger tax return than I do, and John Wayne isn't making any new movies..................and did I mention reloading components?!

I could go on, but aparently you're tired of whiners.grin


Oh I can agree on all of those talking points! Don't get me started on canned goods getting smaller and staying the same price whistle



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Originally Posted by George_in_SD
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George, it may just my way of looking at things, but I've always felt when someone does not like the topic of a thread that is posted, their best choice is not to click on it, rather than complaining about the topic. It works for me. You might try it.


I can respect your methodologies, most definitely. I'm not sure how I happenstance upon folks complaining about their woes. But I'll be damned it sure does happen often, even against my best efforts.

I don't complain here that I can't find my brand and make of mixed nuts, or ethanol free gas. Why can't I expect a similar courtesy ?


George, Check out Pure-Gas. org. It list about 50 stations that sell ethanol free gas in your state. Maybe one is near you.

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I stocked up pretty well on .223 and .308, and have plenty of mags. Also a decent stock of .45 ACP ammo in premium defensive ammo.

I never dreamed I was gonna have to hoard 9mm or 10mm JHP bullets, or .22LR. So whether you like it or not, I'm gonna keep complaining!


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I put back (hoard) more than enough on supplies. I'm set to keep making things go pop for a long time. However, it is my practice to replace any components I use as soon as I load them up...I can't do that right now and it is pissing me off (orders placed but can't be filled). I guess I hoard to use...so I guess it's making me mad that so many people aren't hoarding to use but are hoarding to hoard.

I am a little ticked at the rimfire situation. My hoarding of bulk packs was not enough.

Of course, none of this would bother folks who don't shoot enough for it to really matter...

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I'm curious how long do people plan on living if they get into a real firefight? How much ammo do you need?

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Sorta pizzed off about the cost of popcorn mostly.


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Originally Posted by dogzapper


I planned ahead.

God Bless,

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Me too they can ask as little or as much as they want. I have enough to last longer than they can. But a couple of powders I use I'm nearly down to 12 pounds on? What's a guy to do?


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Originally Posted by 17ACKLEYBEE
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I planned ahead.

God Bless,

Steve



Me too they can ask as little or as much as they want. I have enough to last longer than they can. But a couple of powders I use I'm nearly down to 12 pounds on? What's a guy to do?


Same here...I'm not thrilled about the current atmosphere swirling around the second amendment but I have enough ammo/components to last me the rest of my life. I didn't even realize there was a hiccup during Clintons reign...& the only reason I got caught a tad shy on primers during the last frenzy was because I was trying to develop loads for a bunch of different rifles...

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[...]I would suggest we don't deal in nuts or gas around here, but quickly realized that is not the case.


I do not know, if you meant this to be funny, but it sure is that - and true.


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pissing and moaning about pissing and moaning is still pissing and moaning.

if you have enough components i suggest you probably don't shoot a lot or you don't have many guns to feed.

i could ration my stuff and 'make do' for my lifetime, but i need stuff because i am not rationing my stuff. i still shoot and buy new guns to feed so i still have to find components.


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When the wheels came off in November, I had over 2,000 rds of 22LR on hand, down from a high of 4,000 or so the year before. I've got plenty of all the other calibers I shoot personally, except the 45ACP for the 1911 I bought last week. My issue is that I work for living to provide for my family. I leave for work at 6:15 every morning and get home around 6:30. I can't go down and stand in line Monday mornings before Sportsman's warehouse opens to wait for them to unload and stock that week's ammo. I have a friend who works there and he says it's the same people every week lined up to buy. He knows many are small FFL guys who are buying everything they can just to take to gun shows and jack up the price 500%.

I'm down to 600 rounds of 22LR. I haven't shot a single round of 22LR myself since November and have been rationing it out to my boys when I take them out shooting. I won't go below 500, so we've got enough for 2 outings left. I picked up 200 rounds of 22 Long from my local shop a few weeks ago that they can use in our older bolt action rifles, so that's another month of shooting at rationing levels.

Should I have had 10,000 rounds on hand? In retrospect, yes. We've all seen runs on ammo since the Clinton days. However, I wouldn't have EVER thought I'd see the day when I'd have to go a year without being able to buy 22LR. We live in unprecedented times.

I'm a free marketer, but I also have a long memory. When I walk into your gunshop, like OD Green's in Arvada, Colorado (who advertises wholesale prices and plenty of inventory) and I see 22LR bricks for $159, don't be surprised if I seek out the owner, tell him to GFY and that I'll never spend a dime there ever in my lifetime. He's a profiteer - no better than those [bleep] that raced south in 1865.



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if you have enough components i suggest you probably don't shoot enough or you don't have many guns to feed.

i could ration my stuff and 'make do' for my lifetime, but i need stuff because i am not rationing my stuff. i still shoot and buy new guns to feed so i still have to find components.

With rare exception... this.

The most irksome short-term thing about this shortage for me is with 22 LR. Rimfire rifle-wise, I was down to just a beautiful, but inaccurate CZ-452 American I'd had for a few years. It didn't like anything I fed it.

With the election coming up, I decided to take the plunge... so I sold it, bought a CZ-455 American, tweaked the trigger, bought a Talo exclusive bull-barrel 10/22, put on a new hammer & sear, mounted scopes on both, and went to work with about 15 different varieties of ammo each.

Found the new CZ shoots great with virtually anything and I noted my top two performers were Powerpoints and Mini-mag HP's. The new 10/22 shot pretty mediocore with nearly everything, so I splurged for a Tony Kidd barrel.

Right about this time, all rimfire ammo disappeared! I mean, yeah, I managed to accumulate a thousand or two of the CZ's favorite recipe (which odds are, will work just fine with the new barrel), but I can't go any farther with this until rimfire ammo becomes available again, and as a result, I'm extremely reluctant to use any of it for fear I may not be able to obtain more should TSHTF.

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I'm not envious at all. I have enough to take care of my modest needs and thanks to the hoarders expect to have the opportunity to be buying some stuff for some great prices in a couple of years when the fever breaks. Think real estate and stock bubble aftermaths. When the next recession hits its gonna be fun to be a guy with a little cash.


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Must be comforting to know every chambering you're going to own - before you own it. Ditto for opportunity.

Never would have guessed I'd need more .38 Super brass, or bullets, but a deal presented itself on a glorious pistol (Tanfoglio Match).

Thought my .30-30 days were long gone, and had sold, or given away all my brass, and didn't have the bullets I'd prefer either. Wound up with a Winchester 94 as partial trade for a trolling motor.

The arrival of a .30-06 AI that wound up excelling with only one bullet, ran me out of 'em, quick!

How was I to predict a 500 round weekend, three times, with a .204 Ruger?

I also ran out of H4350, Power Pistol, Ramshot Tac, IMR 4831, and Varget (along with several grain weights, and type of bullets). I don't have a crystal ball, as such, can't predict the duration, or severity of component droughts, and WILL NOT lessen one of the few enjoyments in the hobby catagory - so I feel quite justified in gripeing, and moaning.

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Originally Posted by George_in_SD
I am tired of hearing the pissing and moaning about I can't find this and that. Either pay the going rate or STFU. Be content that you did not plan enough ahead to see you might need a stock-pile of components.


Stop complaining that people are gouging other folks on guns, reloading supplies, and ammo. This is supply and demand economics , period.

Either you planned ahead and bought what you needed, or anticipated what you would need, or you didn't and are now complaining. Please stop. You sound like a pouting child, complaining to Momma that you can't get your way.


That is all. Rant off



George,

I agree with you - I don't care to hear the pissing/moaning about the shortage, either.

But now you've starting pissing/moaning about the pissing and moaning is just as bad. In your own words "STFU", too.


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