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They're not doves or pheasants that get your adrenaline going when you flush them out or have a large covey fly overhead. These 'birds' are shooting back. You will not take your time and line up every shot, take a breath and concentrate on trigger control, no, you will shat your pants and pull the trigger for two or three clicks when it is already emty.

Cali, do not confuse Law Enforcement with hunting. I am also a hunter. A Law Enforcement officer MUST know where EACH of his shots are going. He/she is ultimately responsible for every round discharged from their weapon. Training Academys and field experience teach officers how to act/react to armed encounters with the least amount of ammunition possible, avoiding co-latteral damage to the extent as humanly possible. Spray and Pray is never taught in any accredited training that I have ever attended. And I have been to a lot.

While I agree the 30-0 would be better than a pistol round, the range is severely lacking in it, especially when compared to a 223...

Not saying that in this case they needed range...

Just a thought as we walk into our fictitious yet possible "gun fight" ..... Sometimes distance from your intended target is a good thing. Especially when you have the ability to reach out and touch somebody and that somebody doesn't.

You mean like those NYC cops that used a crowd for their back stop and those CA cops who shot up the wrong make and model of pickup truck with two hispanic women it it when they were looking for a black male???

AHF, you sound like one of the old breed that knew how to do the job right. Just because you did things right, that doesn't mean the rest of your profession was up to your standards.

Now, to be fair to the officers in the video, someone asked why they didn't see the perp in the car. If you view the other camara angle you can see those windows were heavily tinted.

My ohter thought when I see this video, or hear about the guy taking 22 rounds of 9mm is "what ammo where they using?" FMJ, Gold Dots, lead semi-wad cutters?

Antelope, sadly, you are correct. That is a very large portion of the reasons that I am poppin' smoke early. I am mandatory in 5 years, but I just can't put up with the way enforcement is leaning now a days. I just hope that in retirement that I don't have to be on the public side of contact with this new breed of LEO.

Thanks A-S, perfect reply.


AHF, not trying to be Richard Weasel, but what you see in most videos these days is far from calm, cool, and collected Harry Calahan'ish.

Six shots from a revolver will certainly do it, but not most holding it. That most certainly includes most CCW holders that I deal with when pulling range duty or just there to shoot myself.

Cali, your observations and point of view are spot on. An officers main priority is to go home to his loved ones at the end of his/her shift. It is very difficult to balance this priority and placing the wellbeing of John Q. Public in jeopardy. Putting up a wall of lead to insure you go home at the end of shift can have extreme ramifications in the aftermath. Yes, the videos we are seeing now a days show a lot of spray and pray with high capacity handguns but what most don't see is what happens a month or so down the road when the investigation findings come to light and the officer is brought up on charges of unauthorized use of his sidearm /or use of his sidearm contrary to department policy. But, he/she did go home at the end of their shift! A lot of sand box vets are landing jobs in LE and bringing their combat training with them. Great for self survival, bad for law enforcement. Battlefield weapons tactics and urban law enforcement tactics are two completely different worlds.

Would that be the policy written by someone behind a desk who has never actually done chit himself? I am familiar with that kind of policy, one that you look at and say "Who the [bleep] wrote that?" or that experienced officers identify as nothing but a trick bag.

Raisuli? That you?

No, definitely not Raisuli. That makes way too much sense for him.

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Exactly

He took several rounds in the lower abdomen, beneath his vest and continued fighting. Though grievously wounded, he survived and testified against the owner of the grow house last week.