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Read that the rifle can be shot without the buffer retainer in place and that prevents a pontential problem of it breaking and falling inside into trigger group area and also keeps a constant pressure on the bolt as well.
Curious as to your thoughts on this.

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of the 9 carbines and rifles I have owned and the few thousand rounds I have fired I have never had a problem with the standard configuration. Jeff who has probably fired a few million rounds should chime in.


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where do you come up with this stuff?


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Top secret ,cant tell ya.
Oh ok I tell.
When I was watching a video on how to put lower parts kit in a GWACS armory stock the guy mentioned that you could put it in or leave it out.

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Never seen the retainer pin break. FWIW.

Not sure it would bother me to not have one though either. Just be careful taking it apart...grins.


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And what I"m afraid of locking up the lower trigger is a primer.... thats almost always what gets in there to monkey things up.


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Thanks guys, I am just trying to learn .
Craig
I got the vid up in one of my earlier post.

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Originally Posted by rost495
And what I"m afraid of locking up the lower trigger is a primer.... thats almost always what gets in there to monkey things up.


An AR Gold trigger makes that much less likely to occur, the locking up that is. I have a friend to took his lower apart and dumped a half-dozen or so primers out of it. Try that with a GI trigger. The FIRST primer will likely lock the trigger up.

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Originally Posted by Take_a_knee
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And what I"m afraid of locking up the lower trigger is a primer.... thats almost always what gets in there to monkey things up.


An AR Gold trigger makes that much less likely to occur, the locking up that is. I have a friend to took his lower apart and dumped a half-dozen or so primers out of it. Try that with a GI trigger. The FIRST primer will likely lock the trigger up.


How is this happening to you guys? A half-dozen? What's up with that! Something isn't right. I've never had a primer fall out of a case.

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Remember that highly discounted primer pocket swager that you picked up at the last gun show for a steal?

Or the guy that is using his first primer pocket reamer?

I've been that guy...

My favorite was a shooting buddy that decided to use his case de-burring tool on the edges of his primer pockets...

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You can use a debur tool... VERY VERY VERY carefully...


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Originally Posted by pdcrig
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And what I"m afraid of locking up the lower trigger is a primer.... thats almost always what gets in there to monkey things up.


An AR Gold trigger makes that much less likely to occur, the locking up that is. I have a friend to took his lower apart and dumped a half-dozen or so primers out of it. Try that with a GI trigger. The FIRST primer will likely lock the trigger up.


How is this happening to you guys? A half-dozen? What's up with that! Something isn't right. I've never had a primer fall out of a case.


Try Federal Gold Medal Match Factory 223 ammo... it looses primers left and right, soft brass. Always has been.


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and another thing about federal..

I bought a bunch of their 62 grain fusion loads back when you could buy ammunition, the primers are crimped in those loads, and if you chuck up a VLD in a power drill you can carefully remove the primer crimp.

I have never had a primer pop out, but I guess I am just lucky cause I have only been shooting these rifles since 1976 or so.


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I've lost primers in Federal cases. Never had one lock up a trigger but it does happen, even heard of one popping into the gas key. Shoot some of the hotter surplus ammo in the hot summer heat and its gonna happen.

This brings up why you want that retainer pin in there. If you have to open the upper for any reason, that buffer and spring is gonna be in your way.


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Originally Posted by bcraig
Thanks guys, I am just trying to learn .
Craig
I got the vid up in one of my earlier post.


I hope what you learned here is that you'll hear all sorts of witchcraft hocus pocus for the AR. Leave it the way it was designed. It was designed that way for a reason. A long time ago. There have been minor tweeks, but the basic design is an excellent one that works.

As for primers, I have never had one pop off. But I've seen it a handful of times. On both factory and reloads. Never seen a stuck trigger. But in the end, it's a bunch of parts put together. Anything can fail or have a weak point. This is where the saying "two is one and one is none" comes from.

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anybody can say anything on the internet, but its good that you post and ask questions. In the end I never buy the first year of anything, and I never change anything that has been proven to work.



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I had that exact problem with a 'r guns' lower. The buffer hammered enough on the retainer that it eventually popped it out and caused a jam that had to be cleared by popping both lower pins. After studying the problem I could see a gouge on the bottom of the buffer where it had been hitting the retainer pin. The buffer should never hit the retainer pin and the retainer pin should only come into play when the action is opened. As the properly spec'd action is closed the buffer should be pushed back off the brp. To fix mine I turned the buffer tube in 1 turn to make a new shoulder to reengage the brp. Also I relieved the bottom of the buffer enough that it follows the bcg all the way down and rests on the rear of the carrier and never touches the brp during firing. I think in my lower the hole for the brp had been drilled just a tad to far back. Thus lower at least at this point was out of spec. The lower had been fired several 100 times before this happened. It has been fired a couple 100 more since my 'fix' with no problems.

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I had a retainer pin break once, not while firing of course but I took it apart to clean and once a separated the upper and lower it gave way. Ran for a long time without one worked fine couldn't really tell a difference, finally got a new pin in and it has not failed since. I will say it is way more practical when taking it apart to have the pin.


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