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Dustin Reininger is serving a five-year sentence with a three-year minimum before he�s eligible for parole. His crime? Pulling off the highway to get some rest during a long drive. Reininger, a veteran of both the Army and the Air Force, and a former police officer, was moving from Maine back to Texas, but only made it as far as New Jersey. He got tired and parked behind a building in Readington Township, New Jersey, . Had he held out for another 20 minutes, there wouldn�t be a story about Dustin Reininger because he wouldn�t have had a problem in Pennsylvania, but he was tired so he stopped in New Jersey. Police found him asleep in his SUV early that morning. Reininger just wanted to move on down the road, but officers thought something in the back seat looked like a gun case and considered that probable cause for a search. They found several rifles, shotguns, and handguns, as well as hollow point bullets, and a �standard-capacity� magazine. Of course, all of that is perfectly legal in Maine and in Texas � or even 24 miles up the road in Pennsylvania � but it�s not legal in New Jersey without a permit. Federal law provides safe passage for someone transporting guns through a restrictive jurisdiction, but the jury didn�t get to hear about that law. An appeals court panel said that law didn�t apply because it specifies that the guns should be locked in the trunk, and Reininger�s SUV didn�t have a trunk. They also ruled that officers were justified in searching Reininger�s car because they recognized the gun cases as evidence of a crime. The case could go to the State Supreme Court, but I wouldn�t make any bets on the chances of a new trial. Dustin Reininger�s life has been destroyed simply because he innocently possessed his legally owned guns in the wrong place at the wrong time. A minimum of 3 years in a New Jersey prison is no cake walk. Reininger will, for the rest of his life, have to mark �Yes� on job applications asking if he�s ever been convicted of a felony, and he is barred from ever owning firearms again. So much for his career in law enforcement. This is what gun control laws do. They turn innocent people into criminals, destroying lives, while protecting no one. A spokesman for the NJ Attorney General�s office told the AP that the office was �gratified that the court accepted our arguments that none of the issues had any legal merit, or provided a basis to upset the defendant�s conviction.� It doesn�t matter to the police or the politicians or the Attorney General that this guy wasn�t hurting anyone, or that he wasn�t planning to hurt anyone. All that matters to them is that they caught and convicted someone who was in technical violation of their hoplophobic gun laws. And unfortunately, this is an attitude that is prevalent in too many police departments and AG�s offices around the country. Reininger�s story is not unique, it just happens to be a recent, and particularly egregious, example of something we�ve been seeing routinely for over 40 years. The other side of the coin is just as bad. While gun laws routinely ensnare the innocent, they are just as routinely dismissed in prosecuting serious career criminals. Some gun laws can�t even be enforced against criminals. For instance, a convicted felon cannot be prosecuted for failing to register his illegal weapon because doing so would be self-incriminating. So we end up with serious, violent criminals released back on the street, while harmless people like Dustin Reininger are zealously prosecuted for technical violations � and the prosecution is �gratified.� The stories of people unjustly prosecuted � and persecuted � in the name of gun control would fill a book. The history is clear; no matter how innocuous or �common sense� a gun law might seem, once it goes into force it is inevitably used to harass and abuse gun owners. That�s just one of the reasons gun owners opposed the recent Manchin-Toomey proposal to extend background checks to private sales. Among the very troubling provisions in that proposal, the most obvious danger is the requirement that even transactions involving concealed carry permit holders � who are exempt from background checks � would have been required to go through a dealer. The only reason to do that is to create a permanent record of the transaction � registration � something gun owners oppose for very good reasons. Gun control is not about guns, it�s about control. History shows that gun laws always end up being used to harass and persecute regular gun owners. Gun owners have every reason to expect that any law that can be used to abuse them will be used to abuse them. Are gun owners paranoid because we believe gun control laws threaten us? Dustin Reininger is serving a five-year sentence with a three-year minimum before he�s eligible for parole because he pulled off the highway to get some rest during a long drive. If we are paranoid, it�s because we need to be. http://www.ammoland.com/2013/05/gar...zens-beyond-their-borders/#axzz2UKJMDUQN
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Spot on. Thanks for posting that. Truly disgusting outcome for that man. I sure hope something can be done, but it looks like he might have exhausted his options already.
PS I make that drive through New Jersey all the time. I always abide by the law as meticulously as I know how. I conceal carry from my Florida home till I'm about to leave the northern border of Virginia. Then I have to pull over, unload, place my handgun in a lock box, and put it in my trunk while traveling through those North Eastern abomination states. Upon arrival at my destination, a person authorized to possess it (to whom that particular piece is registered) takes it and holds it till I leave for my return trip, whereupon she puts it back in the lock box and back into my trunk, where it stays till I reach Virginia again, at which point it's once again loaded and placed in my IWB holster.
What a pain in the ass to have to go through all that trouble, placing myself at risk both from criminals and from the various police agencies who might not understand the letter of the law, just to transport a firearm within my own nation of citizenship where the right to keep and bear arms is supposed not even to be subject to infringement by the law, let alone functional abrogation.
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I had a simple solution for my travels.
I don't go, EVER, I will never accept another project or travel to Illinois or nay of the "core" yankee states. Or California.
Period, I wouldn't go for a million dollar contract.
I have stayed out of those crap holes for almost 20 years, screw 'em.
And yes, I follow my convictions. I have turned down work in Venezuela since '02. My partner and I used to do between 1 and 2 million per year for PDVSA.
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Dustin Reininger is serving a five-year sentence with a three-year minimum before he�s eligible for parole. His crime? Pulling off the highway to get some rest during a long drive. Reininger, a veteran of both the Army and the Air Force, and a former police officer, was moving from Maine back to Texas, but only made it as far as New Jersey. He got tired and parked behind a building in Readington Township, New Jersey, . Had he held out for another 20 minutes, there wouldn�t be a story about Dustin Reininger because he wouldn�t have had a problem in Pennsylvania, but he was tired so he stopped in New Jersey. Police found him asleep in his SUV early that morning. Reininger just wanted to move on down the road, but officers thought something in the back seat looked like a gun case and considered that probable cause for a search. They found several rifles, shotguns, and handguns, as well as hollow point bullets, and a �standard-capacity� magazine. Of course, all of that is perfectly legal in Maine and in Texas � or even 24 miles up the road in Pennsylvania � but it�s not legal in New Jersey without a permit. Federal law provides safe passage for someone transporting guns through a restrictive jurisdiction, but the jury didn�t get to hear about that law. An appeals court panel said that law didn�t apply because it specifies that the guns should be locked in the trunk, and Reininger�s SUV didn�t have a trunk. They also ruled that officers were justified in searching Reininger�s car because they recognized the gun cases as evidence of a crime. The case could go to the State Supreme Court, but I wouldn�t make any bets on the chances of a new trial. Dustin Reininger�s life has been destroyed simply because he innocently possessed his legally owned guns in the wrong place at the wrong time. A minimum of 3 years in a New Jersey prison is no cake walk. Reininger will, for the rest of his life, have to mark �Yes� on job applications asking if he�s ever been convicted of a felony, and he is barred from ever owning firearms again. So much for his career in law enforcement. This is what gun control laws do. They turn innocent people into criminals, destroying lives, while protecting no one. A spokesman for the NJ Attorney General�s office told the AP that the office was �gratified that the court accepted our arguments that none of the issues had any legal merit, or provided a basis to upset the defendant�s conviction.� It doesn�t matter to the police or the politicians or the Attorney General that this guy wasn�t hurting anyone, or that he wasn�t planning to hurt anyone. All that matters to them is that they caught and convicted someone who was in technical violation of their hoplophobic gun laws. And unfortunately, this is an attitude that is prevalent in too many police departments and AG�s offices around the country. Reininger�s story is not unique, it just happens to be a recent, and particularly egregious, example of something we�ve been seeing routinely for over 40 years. The other side of the coin is just as bad. While gun laws routinely ensnare the innocent, they are just as routinely dismissed in prosecuting serious career criminals. Some gun laws can�t even be enforced against criminals. For instance, a convicted felon cannot be prosecuted for failing to register his illegal weapon because doing so would be self-incriminating. So we end up with serious, violent criminals released back on the street, while harmless people like Dustin Reininger are zealously prosecuted for technical violations � and the prosecution is �gratified.� The stories of people unjustly prosecuted � and persecuted � in the name of gun control would fill a book. The history is clear; no matter how innocuous or �common sense� a gun law might seem, once it goes into force it is inevitably used to harass and abuse gun owners. That�s just one of the reasons gun owners opposed the recent Manchin-Toomey proposal to extend background checks to private sales. Among the very troubling provisions in that proposal, the most obvious danger is the requirement that even transactions involving concealed carry permit holders � who are exempt from background checks � would have been required to go through a dealer. The only reason to do that is to create a permanent record of the transaction � registration � something gun owners oppose for very good reasons. Gun control is not about guns, it�s about control. History shows that gun laws always end up being used to harass and persecute regular gun owners. Gun owners have every reason to expect that any law that can be used to abuse them will be used to abuse them. Are gun owners paranoid because we believe gun control laws threaten us? Dustin Reininger is serving a five-year sentence with a three-year minimum before he�s eligible for parole because he pulled off the highway to get some rest during a long drive. If we are paranoid, it�s because we need to be. http://www.ammoland.com/2013/05/gar...zens-beyond-their-borders/#axzz2UKJMDUQN Super Storm Sandy wasn't big enough
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Wow the guy was prior LE too! This country keeps getting worst by the minute. Sad that he and others are put through this crap.
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yeah, lot's of the country appears to be off-limits to us gun owners.
this country has become totally subdivided, and not many people recognizes that fact.
the anti-gun States and municipalities can sink in the ocean for all i care.
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i think he should do his 3 years and then slit the throat of every politician he can find in New Jersey that voted for that bullchit.
give em some Muslim love
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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i imagine he'll get off, but not before some legal expenses. sad that we are slipping in this direction.
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Shall not be infringed! Constitution doesn't apply in NJ, NY, CA, DC, ect?
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Shall not be infringed! Constitution doesn't apply in NJ, NY, CA, DC, ect? That would appear to be the case.
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i think he should do his 3 years and then slit the throat of every politician he can find in New Jersey that voted for that bullchit.
give em some Muslim love ------------------------------------------------------ We think alike ! THAT is what will change peoples minds on this kind of schit -talking and lawyers are for puzzies. It appears that cops are willing to enforce whatever their masters tell them to.
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
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Liberals are insane because their brains are incapable of logic.
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
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Super Storm Sandy wasn't big enough
Well if Chris Christy wants to get any credibility for his run in 2016 he'd better pardon this guy.
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Super Storm Sandy wasn't big enough
Well if Chris Christy wants to get any credibility for his run in 2016 he'd better pardon this guy. He should, but wont. As far as I'm concerned he cannot regain credibility.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson
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i imagine he'll get off,but not before some legal expenses. You mean destroyed financially.
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The Federal Government is not the only government that's out of control. It's happening also at the state and local levels!
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The arresting "officer", the judge, the jury, the DA, every goddam one of 'em. I hope they all get shot in the spine by some gang-banger or die screaming from pancreatic cancer. I hope the next hurricane washes the mofos out to sea
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Did you folks read "Unintended Consequences"? Similar story.
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Did you folks read "Unintended Consequences"? Similar story. Yep. Worth the read just to get the history of guns in the US.
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Sad state of affairs, sez I.. There should be national reciprocity for every CCW permit-holder..
I hope the guy gets this corrected somehow..
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