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#7769948 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: broomd]
Sitka deer Offline
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#7769962 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: alaska_lanche]
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Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 3257
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: alaska_lanche
Broomd,

Why do you like the anti-shocks...I bought a pair a couple years ago cause they were actually cheaper than the standard ones and after using both I prefer teh standards...lighter weight and I really don't see or feel what the antishocks do for ya.

Just curious what you like about them.

Thanks


Lanche,

I think some guys have wrists more prone to fubar than others. <me>. Then again 50 is rapidly approaching for me.
I started using anti-shocks in '01 and haven't looked
back--other than the year I used the fixed Black Diamonds.

The fixed were very light and had the nifty flick-lock, but I might have been too used to the spring loaded pole, I had wrist pain after using them for only a few hours.
I went back to the Lekis and have been fine.

I've talked to a couple guys who experienced the same thing.

Plus I like the spring action when leaning on the pole and climbing out of a low spot with a heavy pack.

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#7770237 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: broomd]
BCJR Offline
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Registered: 12/12/07
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take what your guide says to take and he will realize that you can read and listen and wont treat you like an idiot for the rest of your trip smile

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#7770790 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: BCJR]
waterrat Offline
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Registered: 12/21/05
Posts: 801
Loc: Lake Iliamna Alaska
Originally Posted By: BCJR
take what your guide says to take and he will realize that you can read and listen and wont treat you like an idiot for the rest of your trip smile


The best advice yet!
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#7770800 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: BCJR]
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Registered: 07/08/01
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Loc: Fairbanks, Ak.
Originally Posted By: BCJR
take what your guide says to take and he will realize that you can read and listen and wont treat you like an idiot for the rest of your trip smile


Now that right there makes the most sense of anything "contributed" so far. Pay attention here.
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#7770876 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: Bear_in_Fairbanks]
Kenneth Offline
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Registered: 01/17/09
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ya wanna know why, I didn't have my range finder with me at the time I really needed it?

Cause the Guide said, I should leave mine at basecamp,has he always has his,

Guides make mistakes every day, just like you and I....

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#7771278 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: Kenneth]
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Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 3257
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: Kenneth
ya wanna know why, I didn't have my range finder with me at the time I really needed it?

Cause the Guide said, I should leave mine at basecamp, has he always has his,

Guides make mistakes every day, just like you and I....


Yep. Guides are just people and make mistakes and forget things too.

Although, it would be interesting to see what guides put on the b!tch list about clients.
A 'guess' list...
1. Out of shape/lazy
2. Know-it-alls. 3. Unprepared gear-wise 4. Unrealistic expectations.

I haven't a clue, but would like to know.

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#7771300 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: broomd]
rost495 Offline
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Registered: 01/05/05
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I'll never be without my own rangefinder. And my own GPS.

Be in shape. Carry some of your own personal survival gear. Make sure there is commo IE SPOT or Sat phone at camp.

The guide can die out in the field leaving you for yourself.

Beyond that I defer to the guide. My only other issue being guided, I feel that generally it shoudl be up to the hunter to pick his clothing, IE combos that work for him. If he doesn't know then defer to suggestions.

What I'd expect out of a hunter... be in shape. Be able to shoot. Dont' expect the largest one out there, though we'll try, but be ready to accept nothing. And enjoy the experience. Offer to pitch in where you can. It may be refused but offer anyway.
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#7771496 - 05/27/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: Yakataga]
docdb Offline
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Registered: 01/26/03
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I've been on four guided Dall hunts and Lord willing will go again in 2014 (Brooks). I have to agree on the lower power scope. Last year after the stalk, we set up on a group of rams at about 200 yards. I had the scope maxed out on 15X, could count the hairs...
Anyway, as I was waiting for the perfect shot to line up, the guide and I were discussing the qualities of the two larger rams, and which one to take. It then occurred to me that if all the rams ran at the shot, I might not be able to follow the chosen one for a follow up shot at 15X. I twisted down to what felt right (6X) and bang flop no worries.
I now have a Leupold 2.5-8X on the sheep rifle.
Also, Lowa makes a good boot, I'd suggest logging about 50 miles in up, down terrain.
Don

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#7771672 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: docdb]
kutenay Offline
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Registered: 03/15/04
Posts: 7739
I have never hunted in Alaska, but, have spent quite some time in northern BC, hunting and other stuff as well as having lived for periods of three straight months alone on top of a mountain, right on the BC-AK border. I also have backpacked for work and recreation since spring 1964, all over BC and some of Alberta.

So, I would suggest.

1. Poles, I have Komperdell C3s and Black Diamond Carbon whatevers, their top model. I tried Lekies, do not care for anti-shock, some do some don't--I prefer the BDs to any others I have tried.

2. Gaiters, I have several different pairs for different uses and do not go into the mountains without at least one pair. I am buying others to try, as these are a crucial part of MY clothing.

3. Range finder....I AM buying one, just put this off as I have not been able to hunt much for three years as my wife was very ill and my partner has one. BUT, I definitely consider them VERY worthwhile and, btw, I am a former wilderness worker whose job entailed judging distances quickly and am good at it, still, a Leica 12 or 1600 is in MY future.

4. Wet feet KILL a trip, USE the anti-perspirant, have spare socks, change 2-3 times per day and I like Gold Bond Foot Powder plus I prefer plastic bandaids, the large ones covered by fabric Elastplast over moleskin AND I bandage instantly when I feel a "hot spot".

5. Listen to SD on footwear and gloves,he is right and while beeswax is a lot of work to do right and many boots cannot be so treated as you dare not heat them due to plastic heel counters, so use Obenauf's OP, the beeswax is better than ANY other H2O proofing for all leather boots.

6. I NEVER go ANYWHERE, even with a companion, without a very light emergency camp, would have my own GPS and BUY YOUR OWN DECENT pack, as most in gear stores know jackschit about pack fitting, especially for hunting loads.

Last, yappy old geezer that I am, I use 1.75x6. 2.5x8 Leupies, 3x9-Z3 Swaros and 3x9 Conquests on my lighter rifles and I find the Leupies as good as you will ever need in the mountains and LIGHTER than the somewhat optically better Conquests-I don't like the more costly Swaro and won't buy another.

The final suggestion, most crucial for we OLD guys, get into the best shape of your life and then improve that, this really makes the difference.......and, use the .308!

HTH, and may I offer you the very best of luck on your hunt smile

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#7771673 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: docdb]
bearstalker Offline
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Registered: 06/23/02
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Loc: Alaska
What's the census on plastic boots? And what style on crampons you guys prefer?

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#7771773 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: kutenay]
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Registered: 05/16/11
Posts: 3257
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: kutenay


6. I NEVER go ANYWHERE, even with a companion, without a very light emergency camp,


No argument with that point.

Remember quite well back to 2002 when son got his first dall (at last light on opening day).
We were four miles from base in rough jagged country and had no emergency camp (we only going to "walk/scout down the ridge before turning in for the night"--yeah right). Yards turned into miles.
It was a long, cold night of shivering and jumping jacks over that dead sheep.
Lesson learned.


We had little cover and used whites to fool that wary ram.

Best of luck HTH.


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#7772021 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: broomd]
Calvin Offline
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Registered: 09/25/03
Posts: 15133
Loc: AK
Guided hunt? Who cares what you bring... If the guide is worth anything, he'll put you a on legal ram, despite how unprepared you are.
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#7772145 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: bearstalker]
kaboku68 Offline
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Registered: 03/27/06
Posts: 1036
Loc: Alaska
Originally Posted By: bearstalker
What's the census on plastic boots? And what style on crampons you guys prefer?


I don't like them. Its not that they are hard on the knees when you have a heavy load coming down the mountain or that they make your feet sweat when its hot. I believe that if you take a pair of boots that you are going to use and then get them wet with your sock choice and then "walk them dry" that they work to form fit to your feet. Plastics like the Scarpa seem to fail to fit as well.

I used to run instep crampons but I have since moved to BD Cyborgs. They are a bit spendy but they just chew up ice and talus.

I also like OR Croc gaiters better than Kennetreks.

I switch between Hanwag Trapper GTX and Kennetrek Mountain Extreme 400s. Both fit my feet right. However, you can learn how to tie boots for various loads and that is an important thing as well.

SD or Broomd may not know who Fred Rungee was but Fred always lived alone in very bad grizzly country. Fred was Dunc Gilchrist's best bud for a long time when they both worked for the Forest Service. Fred was attacked three different times and chewed on twice. He is still alive at 96 years old and while he has a cabin at Duffy's Roadhouse he still gets back up to his cabin and homestead on Lake Lorraine 3 miles off of the road where he has lived for 50 years. Fred got me on to moth balls. I would take just a couple in a ziplock bag and place them under the corners. I have not had my camp raided or my foodstuffs plundered for many years.
I also talked about mothballs with Ed Stevenson who still guides up Sheep River in the Talkeetnas and is probably the only guide alive who has been mauled by brownies twice. He agrees with me on the mothballs. I still go up into some of the rugged country and will go again this year. I teach school and those in Alaska know that it sucks for hunting. School starts on August 10th. Some genius came up with that.

I will still fly into that glacial space until Gary Green retires and then I will have to take a boat up there. I am only a couple of years away from retirement and then I can do 30 day hunts up Anderson and Walsh.
This may not mean anything to you and that is fine.

I have no ego but just try to help.

sincerely,
Thomas

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#7772364 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: kaboku68]
bearstalker Offline
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Registered: 06/23/02
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Loc: Alaska
Thomas,

I sent you a pm.

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#7772548 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: bearstalker]
kutenay Offline
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Registered: 03/15/04
Posts: 7739
That is VERY interesting, I knew Grizzly researchers 30-40+ years ago, who would pour anhydrous ammonia around their mountain tented campsites and told us that this repelled Grizzlies.

I don't know, never tried it and in the many years where I would spend months alone with only a supply trip once every six weeks living in some of the most densely populated Grizzly country on Earth, I just kept a meticulously clean camp, burned ALL organic wastes AND cans, bottles, etc and watched what/where and how I did things. I had several close encounters, but, no real problems and I enjoy seeing these bears up close...as long as they are "friendly".

However, the thing that I have found extensive bush time teaches is NOT how "much" you know...it is how LITTLE and also how humility REALLY is your best "tool" for bush life.

I am going to get some mothballs and test this in the Kootenays with bears and a "bait" as this is perhaps the best "tip" that I have ever been given, other than to stay away from "slides".

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#7772569 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: Calvin]
docdb Offline
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Registered: 01/26/03
Posts: 2492
Originally Posted By: Calvin
Guided hunt? Who cares what you bring... If the guide is worth anything, he'll put you a on legal ram, despite how unprepared you are.


I agree for the most part, but feet will stop the hunt. Can't shoot will prevent the kill. Bad attitude will make both of you wish you were never born

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#7772806 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: broomd]
4214chip Offline
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Registered: 12/21/02
Posts: 281
Loc: western Nebraska
To kscowboy,

If the only outerwear you have is gore-tex, you will be soaked most of the time, from the inside due to sweating. Until you actually do some climbing in the sheep mtns., you have no idea how much work it will be. And if (when) it rains, you will get even wetter from the rain. The gore-tex will work good for breaking the wind while ridge top glassing. Don't expect it to keep you dry if get into a good ol' Alaskan rainy spell.

Take some quick drying, breathable outer wear and be sure to pack some GOOD rain gear. If you happen to have a wet hunt, the gore-tex won't keep you dry. Surprised that none of the AK locals have mentioned this fact yet. Some like the HH Impertech. It works great but some will complain about the weight of it. Marmot Precip rain gear seems to work well as does Red Ledge rain gear.

Cut weight on your gear any place you can. Every ounce will add up quickly and you'll be leaving more and more things at camp each day you hunt. I see no need for a huge, heavy rifle scope. I have used a 2.5 x 8 Leupold on all of my sheep hunts and it has worked fine. One poster mentioned taking a regular space blanket. Do it!! It will help keep you warm and dry if you need to spend a night or two away from camp. Pack your items that must stay dry in zip lock bags. I always try to leave a dry pair of long underwear at camp to change into before crawling in my sleeping bag. In the morning the damp ones go back on, so that I will again have some dry clothes to sleep in. Other than the extra set of longhandles and a couple extra pair of socks, the only clothes I take are the ones I am wearing plus a warm jacket and rain gear. Sometimes one water bottle is enough, other times two may be needed. Ask your guide.

Will you need hip boots for stream crossings before you start climbing??

Think about running steps to get in shape for climbing. If you don't have any nearby, your basement steps, if you have them, will work fine. Run them until you can make 100 trips up and down in 20 minutes or less. Running or walking on flat ground does nothing to strengthen the muscles used while climbing.

Take a small camera and take LOTS of pictures. If the camera uses a rechargable battery, take a fully-charged extra one along.

If you have a leather rifle sling, get a nylon one. The leather will get wet and heavy and take a while to dry...the nylon one will dry quickly. Don't forget some type of scope covers to keep the lenses dry.

A few of duct tape can come in very handy. Wrap some around a tooth brush handle or buy a small roll from an outdoor shop.

You will be eating different food. Take along a few meds to get your "plumbing" uncloged if that becomes a problem and also take along something to slow down the 'flow' if that becomes a problem. Best way to avoid either problem is to stay hydrated.

Have a GREAT hunt and ENJOY Alaska!!!

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#7773560 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: 4214chip]
Vek Offline
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Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 788
Loc: Blaine, WA
Typically, a sheep is a large white aiming point. If you think you need more than 4x for any range at which you should be shooting, then you'd be wrong. Google up the subtension of a 4x duplex Leupold reticle and get back to me.

On the other hand, using the fat part of the duplex for range estimation can be worthwhile as well. IIRC, the 6x leupolds subtend 9" at 100 yards, and your sheep/muley chest is ~18" deep. Good enough to firm up a 300-yard range estimate when your RF gets dropped or is otherwise TU. If I can't fit half a sheep chest between the fat points on the vertical hair (~400 yards), then I know I need to get closer. I've not used a LRF on a mountain hunt, though I have one. If I do ever go LRF, I'll put turrets on a 4x Leupold to mess with heads...

You need three layers of pants: medium weight thermal underwear, some sort of DWR treated quick-dry 4-way stretch walking pant, and lightweight rain gear. I use merino wool, then either REI mistral or some sort of mountain hardwear earth-tone walking pant, and patagonia rainshadown rain pants. Some see fit to spend huge $$ on various pricy gucci camo mountain hunting pants that typically have too-few and too-bulky belt loops, which are well suited to bunching up and giving you a nice heat rash under your heavy pack's waistbelt on a long hot packout.

On top, I take a lightweight thermal t-shirt, a heavyweight thermal top, a puffy insulating layer, and lightweight rain gear (Mountain Hardwear Cohesion jacket).

Gaiters - save half the weight over crocs and get OR verglas instead. Don't leave home without them.

Hiking poles: If you find yourself on something really steep and slippery, you'll regret not having something to arrest with. I take a 100cm ice axe from SMC in Ferndale, WA and use it as a cane on the flats and an arresting tool on the slick steeps. for the other hand I take a Black Diamond boundary 2-section ski pole for a walking stick.

You'd better inquire as to what kind of spotter your guide has, and react accordingly...A pentax 65mm angled with an XW-10 or XW-14 eyepiece will give as good a view as about anything, for not too much $$. You won't be able to use much more than the 39x given by the XW-10 eyepiece when the mirages start.

Take a pair of UL running shoes from vibram or new balance or whomever, and do your stream crossings with those. They weigh nothing - about the same as crocs, and are WAY more useful around camp and such. Or, for small shin or knee-high streams, tighten up those gaiters, tie a string *tight* around your ankle and top of calf to seal things off, and give 'er hell.

For training, if you've trained to the point that you can spend most of a day hiking on steep terrain without blistering feet or hurting yourself, then your cardio will have taken care of itself.









Crampons: stubai aluminum 10-point strapons are the standard.

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#7773755 - 05/28/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: Vek]
AkMtnHntr Offline
Campfire Kahuna

Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 17534
Loc: Alaska
There's no way I would go on any hunt without my rangefinder and it wouldn't matter if the guide had one or not. I've had issues with the Leica's in the past on Dall sheep so I use a different brand now just because of it.

Lightweight rain gear as mentioned above is a must, I haven't tried it yet but I've heard great things about the Westcomb which utilizes eVent, it's light and breathable gear.

I also am not a fan of the anti-shok trekking poles and my Leki Makalu's have worked well for me.

Do yourself a favor and bring a good camera and take lots of pictures, 20 years from now you'll be glad you did.

I also like to bring a bandana with me for those hot days, soak it in a creek and wear it under you hat.

The suggestion of camp shoes is a great idea and I never go on a hunt without them.

I've become a big fan of merino wool, specifically boxers and socks, they will keep you warm and dry on those cool mornings.

A good pair of binos is a MUST, I've been using a pair of Swarovskis in 10x42 for years and love them but they are a bit heavy. Just make sure you bring the best you can afford.
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#7774570 - 05/29/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: AkMtnHntr]
kutenay Offline
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Registered: 03/15/04
Posts: 7739
Westcomb is THE best I have used in 40+ years of wearing this kind of clothing year 'round. Event IS great, better than any GT I have ever had, BUT, this new "Neoshell" they use in my "APOC" shell is freakin' insane and is actually fairly quiet, too.

Lotsa bux, worth EVERY penny!

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#7774740 - 05/29/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: kutenay]
cwh2 Offline
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Registered: 12/09/05
Posts: 2234
Loc: Anchorage, AK
In the brooks in August, I'd go pretty heavy on bug protection, and lighter on clothes. For sure you want some insulation, but you don't need redundant layers. I'd go with a goretex type rain gear (lighter) as well.

I probably go way too heavy in sleeping bag, but we generally hunt the late season. I like an ice axe in some situations, but I wouldn't carry one for that location and time of year. Trekking poles will be very handy. Anti-shock is an absolute gimmick in my opinion, but I watched a buddy destroy a pair of "anti-shock" poles in a single hunt, and haven't looked at it since.

Be prepared to cover a lot of ground. If you are not going up/down or sidehilling, you will be in soggy lumpy tundra or rocky river/creek bottoms. There is some nice walking, but it will never last more than 100 yards.

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#7774810 - 05/29/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: cwh2]
kscowboy01 Offline
Campfire Regular

Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 257
Loc: Colorado by way of Kansas, 'Me...
Thank you all again for the tips. I do have a Leica rangefinder that has been used over the years on whitetails here in KS and trips to CO and NM. I will definitely plan to take it along.

I called Leupold today and will do the CDS turrets on the .308. A family friend who I spent the day with yesterday has a range to shoot 400 yards+. His wife is a 1,000 record holder in her bench class and he is a reloading guru. He is pumped about helping me, as he gets to "go along" on the hunt in a way. He will help me train when it comes to shooting and developing a good sheep load. Talk about a good friend to have!

We are going to load some 150 grain Barnes TSX and see how they shoot. We also have some other bullets that we may try but will start here.

As a young guy who just turned 30, it's amazing the knowledge-sharing that guys are willing to give you if you respect their knowledge and are willing to shut-up, listen, and be appreciative. I feel as though my generation lacks this a times.

Thank you again and keep the tips coming.

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#7775010 - 05/29/13 Re: Alaska Range Sheep Hunt August 10th---MUST HAVES [Re: kscowboy01]
BCJR Offline
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Registered: 12/12/07
Posts: 1349
Loc: A.K. SE
i still stick by my statement about listening to your guide but if you want check out Scott Luber and Steve Bethune's video called lace 'em up ,some good info there.

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