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that sounds like a helluva price!! 721
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Hey Poot, I recognize that color scheme!
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Brad, that is a great looking stock if I do say so myself!!! That is a very nice looking rig. What is it chambered for? Also, I like the m70 classic action as well, they seem to feed pretty darn well.
More details on the gun.
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Poot, Brad is an 06 man.... 721
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Poot, Brad is an 06 man.... 721 You can't fault a man for using the finest big game round ever chambered!!! The 06 gets my vote as well.......
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I'm a .284 slut...but you are correct on the ole 06....I have my 280, a semi custom 7.21 Tomahawk Rem 700 Hart 26in, and workin on the 338-06 AI for Elk and such..I think those 3, with TSX's will cover the bases of what I will ever hunt.... 721
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...the finest big game round...?????, it seems to me that the old '06 was actually a military round, developed in response to the German's smokeless, high velocity loading of the 8mm Mauser J bore???
In any event, while the '06 is, without question, a very fine and useful cartridge, I think that the title "finest big game round" has been earned and is held by the .375 H&H. To me, "big" game includes African, Asian, Canadian and Antipodean game, such as Banteng, Bison, Grizzlies, Cape Buff and so forth, I consider a .375 H&H much superior for this and as good for Elk, Moose and so on than the '.06, YMMV.
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Kutenay, I point the rifle and sheit falls over... that's all I know.
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Poot, I love your 270! Very nicely thought-out... really!
My 06 is just a stock M70 SS Fwt which I bedded in a Bansner (floated forward the chamber). Just because, I had the barrel cut to 21" and had open sights installed. I recontoured the floorplate to a more svelt profile and had it re-bead blasted. I also installed a Williams extractor. The scope is a 2x7 VXII mounted in lapped Burris Zee's, clamped to Leupold Weaver-style bases and JB Welded to the receiver. This rifle is scary accurate with a variety of bullets including the 168 TSX, putting three into bitty groups at 300 yards. With sling and five rounds it weighs 8lbs 1 oz exactly and has accounted for various deer and antelope, one black bear and three six point bull elk.
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I agree, I think that may have been a sweeping statement on my part. I should have said "north american" big game round. But, I do agree with you on the 375 H&H part for the whole world. Actually, if you own an 06 and a 375 you can kill all that needs top be killed on this planet anyway.
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“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Great looking rifle and great looking bull!!!!
Just our of curiosity what kind of velocities are you seeing with that 168 tsx?
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Poot, I love your 270! Very nicely thought-out... really!
My 06 is just a stock M70 SS Fwt which I bedded in a Bansner (floated forward the chamber). Just because, I had the barrel cut to 21" and had open sights installed. I recontoured the floorplate to a more svelt profile and had it re-bead blasted. I also installed a Williams extractor. The scope is a 2x7 VXII mounted in lapped Burris Zee's, clamped to Leupold Weaver-style bases and JB Welded to the receiver. This rifle is scary accurate with a variety of bullets including the 168 TSX, putting three into bitty groups at 300 yards. With sling and five rounds it weighs 8lbs 1 oz exactly and has accounted for various deer and antelope, one black bear and three six point bull elk. Thanks. It shoots as well. This is with factory ammo (fed 140 TBBC) at 100.
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i've got a NULA .416 rem on a 22" barrel with 1.5-5 leupold on it rings it right at or a shade under 7lbs. i'll use it for everything, sheep, goats, deer, brown bear you name it it'll shoot at it.
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7 pound 416..........That is nuts!!!!! You are a lot more man than me.......... Hell, I don't want to be in the same State when you torch that sucker off!!!
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Poot, 2855 fps with the 168 TSX.
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Poot, i posted in the custom gun forum a while back that i was getting this thing, everyone said pretty much the same thing, muzzle break, you'll rebarrell it. can't shoot it, blah blah. basicly cause guns so light it hits really hard but not enough momentum to do much, its just a big quick punch, doesn't rock you back like a heavier gun would. so recovery belive it or not, seems faster. granted theres alot going on when you pull the trigger, ten shots and the bulter creek cap cover came off...never had that happen before. but its a shootable gun for sure. not a huge nightmare like you'd think. shoots in and a half groups with 250 XXX bullets. my nosler load is getting reworked, it didn't shoot well at all.
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Thanks to Brad I loaded up some 168 TSX's this week and took them to the range for my brother's and my Tikka 30-06's. Worked up from 56 grain H4350 to 58 Grains. Ended up with the 58 grain loads at 2910FPS and scary accurate. I can't wait to hunt with these ASAP. One thing we noticed is that these loads seemed to produce a bit more recoil than the NP's we loaded with pretty near the same velocity. could that have been our imagination? prolly. Cleaning the bbl today I definitely notice more copper fouling than with anything else i've used. I know they say these new TSX's don't foul as much as the old but they still foul more than NP's. Still for the accuracy and bullet performance its worth it. Question: Why do TSX's produce less pressure with a given powder than standard premium bullets? I find that odd-but in their load data they explicitly say that. Is it because they are more aerodynamic or what?
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My stock rifle is a 6.5x55 in a Blaser R93 in their proprietory rings/bases and a Leup 2.4-8 VXIII (deer size game not in bear country) that hits about 6.5 lbs. I fit a .30-06 barrel (I'm with you Brad) with same ring/base/scope set-up at a few ounces less.
Other is a Dave Gentry (Brown Prec Kevlar stock) .270 Wea with a 3-pos safety, all steel bottom metal, Shilen trigger, octagon barrel with a Leup 3.5-10 in Gentry light weight rings - about 7.5 lbs. Although a little heavier, this is my rough country rifle. It liked - my second barrel is going on as I write this - 160-gr. Noslers at 3050-3100.
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The TSX's produce less psi because there is less bearing surfuce in contact with the rifling. The three cutout grooves result in less contact - hence less psi/friction and in some cases, more velocity. The bottom line to all this is that accuracy must not suffer in the process.
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