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Zimmerman can't be found any other way but innocent based on the evidence. End of story case closed

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Outside the world of a sequestered jury, perhaps. 2 jurors laughed at that ME's testimony last week. He will be on his way out of town when some talented,credible experts give testimony this week. These jurors are taking their job seriously because they know what awaits them out in the free market.

A hung jury,which is the bare minimum here, works for the defense. No way the state of Florida tries this nonsense again.

I'm white and married to a "mexican girl" born in th US and college educated with an american first name.

I employ (legal) mexicans and obviously have inlaws of mexican heritage.

While they have some of the mexican culture still practiced in their family, they don't give a crap about skin color or nationality and consider themselves more white than hispanic. They judge people on their charactor, and frankly don't give a [bleep] about "a mexican passing themselves off as white".

As for illegal mexicans.... Your comments probably ring true.

Have a nice day.

Thanks. That's interesting reading material.

From a layman's perspective it's peculiar that instructions aren't given at the beginning of the trial.

If the jurors know what to look for, or what's specifically applicable, it would easier to weigh the evidence.

The reason for my above comments is in this particular trial there are laws that make it an unusual case. Generally speaking, a murder trial does not have the nuances that this trial does. Shoot somebody, you're guilty, you go to jail.

Is easy for us here at fire to understand the implications of self-defense and more importantly the stand your ground law because we've discussing it for over a year. Someone that's unaware of these laws will have a very different perspective. For instance, the idea of contributory negligence (GZ was in the wrong for following TM) and being unaware the right to defend yourself even if you were the initial aggressor.

Watching the trial unfold and having misconceptions about the specific laws that are applicable to this trial would affect the thought process of determining guilt or innocence.

I have no doubts that the jurors are unaware of all the laws. It might come as slight shock when they realize what they thought they would be judging guilt or innocence on is now in question because of how the laws are written.

I have no idea how this will influence the outcome ... if at all.

I've watched most of the trial but who is "ME"?

Medical Examiner

Right! That guy was an idiot.

Sorry, I should have used proper descriptives.

Monday and Tuesday are going to be embarrassing for this prosecution team. Watch it if you can.

Any of you guys try Varget with 80 Amax in a 223AI?

Most have understood "self defense" from the beginning of time. The prosecution is now putting all their marbles into the over-reaction basket. The witnesses the next two days will destroy the theory.

So will the jury instructions. This Judge's days are numbered if she doesn't toss 2nd degree murder at the conclusion of the evidence.

Northern Va prosecutors make this Florida team look like a bunch of moot court participants. It's truly shameful. And, in Virginia, we don't get the benefit of depositions. In fact, defense discovery in our state is virtually non-existant.

But, in noerthern Va, the Judge would have likely granted the striking of the 2nd degree murder charge.

Will the defense be able to bring up prior expert testimony and then have their experts offer an opinion on whether or not the previous experts were incorrect?

I know they can offer a different opinion but can they essentially say "That guy was an idiot. He didn't know WTF he was talking about and here's why".

I plan on watching it as much as possible and if I can't I look at http://legalinsurrection.com/ at night to see what I missed. I'm curious if the defense is going to get to call the Martin's lying racist attorney Benjamin Crump to testify. I understand that the transcript of his interview with "Dee Dee" that he gave to the defense wasn't factual and is incomplete.

Will the defense be able to bring up prior expert testimony and then have their experts offer an opinion on whether or not the previous experts were incorrect?
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Bank on it. It will be pleasurable viewing, I assure you.

I'm curious if the defense is going to get to call the Martin's lying racist attorney Benjamin Crump to testify.
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Crump is partly why Judge Nelson is PMSing. The 5th circuit over-turned her ruling that the defense team couldn't call him. 5th circuit over-turned her and ruled the defense team can depose Crump and use his testimony at trial.

Good! I's like to see Mr. Crump on the stand. I hope this judge is removed for her blatant bias for the prosecution. She isn't just fat and ugly she has a smart ass attitude with the defense. I think she despises the defense attorneys because they're way more intelligent than she is. The prosecution attorneys are just theatrical clowns (and not very good ones).

I simply think her hands are tied while she attempts to protect her job. Jurors are the last bastion of protection when it comes to the state versus the "Everyman".

Never shirk your duty as a juror. Never. Jurors rule the dynamic, not judges and lawyers.

Ain't that the truth! It dismays me whenever I hear people disparage and/or shirk jury duty. A strong individual on a jury can strongly influence the others, the sheeple types.

Not a legal type, but I've done the jury gig more than once, and look forward to the next opportunity, especially of I could help insure that sensationalism and racism like seen in this case doesn't hornswaggle the easily led.

Prexactly Counselor and the jury DOES worry me.

Bob, I was a juror on two high profile murder cases down in Miami before the Navy and I wasn't impressed with their abilities even though they were pretty much open and shut cases. And the OJ and Kaylee Anderson trials also worry me. I sure do HOPE you are right my friend.