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Get ready for round (or Week) 2 of the Z trial. I don't know how it will all play out (and no one else does either). The prosecution seemed to be making the defense case in week 1, but who knows what a jury will do?

I strongly feel that Zimmerman should move to my location when he walks free. There are zero African Americans that live here.

I am sick of ignorant progressive fascists spouting the party line without regard to the evidence presented in the case. It is evil to destroy an innocent mans life for political gain and that is what they are doing.

The fact is that Zimmerman's statement is supported by the evidence in every significant respect.

Zimmerman was outside of his car following Trayvon from a distance when the operator said that he didn't need to follow. He responded "OK" which indicates acceptance and turned to walk to the mail boxes where he was going to wait for the police. This gave Trayvon took advantage of this and sneaked up on Zimmerman. Trayvon hit Zimmerman in the face, knocked him down, pinned him to the ground and started beating him MMA style bashing his head against the sidewalk.

At this point Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon in self defense. However, he waited until Trayvon tried to take his gun away to shot.

There was no stalking or profiling or hunting just watching from a distance. Zimmerman was the victim of an unprovoked assault by Trayvon. He showed too much restraint in shooting Trayvon.

The prosecution has rested and as they proved that Zimmerman shot Trayvon in self defense it's clear that the only reason they brought this case to trial was to gain the votes of blacks for the progressive fascist cause. Destroying an innocent man's life for political gain is evil. It is the same thing Dems did to blacks during the Jim Crow era.

How in the hell do you expect to rationally and intelligently discuss this with folks who have been following the story since day one and know the facts of the case and major details when you yourself are obviously ignorant of them? Hell, I'd have gotten laughed out of college if I'd asked questions like this of my prof's. I'm not trying to be mean here, but you need to do some research if you want to comment intelligently on this.

My log-cutting partner in the Bitterroot had the very same limitation after his last tree pounded him into the ground like a tent peg.

Those ol' logging bosses can sure be something else at times.

One of 'em in Montana bossed his loggers by throwing his weight around with decibels of feigned anger. One of his favorite tactics was to fire � peremptorily � the first logger whom he saw on the mountain on the first Monday morning back at work.

One Monday morning in particular, the first logger whom he saw was a young sawyer who had a couple of trees down and was limbing one.

He (the boss) stopped his pick-up and stomped up to the young logger. When the young fellow cut-off his McCulloch, the boss yelled "You're fired! Get off the mountain and draw your time! You're fired!" Then he stomped back down to his pick-up and drove off up the mountain.

When he came back down that evening, the young sawyer was still there � had several trees down, limbed, and bucked to length, ready for the jammer.

The boss didn't have to feign anger now. He threw gravel stopping his pick-up, stomped up to the young sawyer, and yelled "Didn't I fire you this morning?"

"Yeah. Don't let it happen again."

If you had been paying attention to the evidence presented by the prosecution you would know that Zimmerman was assaulted by Trayvon. That Trayvon had him pinned to the ground and was wailing away at his head. This more than justifies self defense, but Zimmerman waited until after Trayvon went for Zimmerman's gun to shoot in self defense.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman did anything other than follow and watch Trayvon from a distance. He was outside his car following when the operator said he didn't need to follow. He responded OK and walked away from Trayvon towards the mail boxes to wait for the police. This allowed Trayvon to sneak up on him and assault him by surprise.

My point for the "pro-Martin" crowd who state Martin had a right to be there. If Martin had every right to be there, SO DID ZIMMERMAN.

ETA I see Ken beat me to this line of thought.

If you are carrying, as Zimmerman was, then any altercation that results in an aggressor getting the better of you, becomes a VERY DEADLY situation because the moment you become even temporarily disabled, the aggressor has opportunity and means to do you REAL HARM. Read that as kill your butt.

So yes, if I get my butt handed to me and the aggressor isn't backing down and I feel like I am about to go under/out, then I am seriously contemplating shooting to stop the aggressor.

You just made our case for us. You admitted that when a guy is in the mode of seriously kicking someone's butt, there's no telling how far he might go. Especially if there is no one there at that moment to pull the aggressor off.

You complain the GZ wasn't hurt that badly, you've seen worse. It isn't GZ's responsibility to let himself get beaten so badly that you are more than mildly impressed. His job is to keep from getting himself seriously injured or dead.

But Martin didn't have a right to be there. He was trespassing in a gated community. His father lived outside the gated community.

Trademark had moved in with his fathers girl friend. He wasn't trespassing.

One thing that is interesting is that I think while Trademark was riding the bus to the complex that day he got into a fight with the driver. Then his dad had to drive to Juvie, pick him up and drive him to the complex. Think this happened earlier on the day he died. Seems like the jury should find out about this.

I wasn't aware the bus driver altercation was on that day. Certainly seems relevant. I'm not saying you're wrong about it, but the word "complex" doesn't lend itself to a typical gated community. I think it fits better with the scenario I presented of Martin's father living directly outside the gated community. I also haven't ever heard that Martin was living with his father's girlfriend. I thought he was living with his father who had a girlfriend. Perhaps I'm mistaken though.

If Travon's dad lived inside the gated community, to me it gives him a better reason to be where he was, but he still may have been (probably was) trespassing on somebody else's property.

However perhaps we're getting away from the exact nature of this...Regardless of who had what right to be where, the evidence all points to Martin jumping Zimmerman and pummeling him. The only possible reason is Z's following of him and almost certainly Martin had the chance to get away. Bottom-line is that Zimmerman is guilty of nothing, neither Murder Two nor Manslaughter.

Tuesday could be interesting:

THC tox report gets admitted into evidence today, as well.

I'm thinking the defense called Trayvon's father to lay a foundation for the Crump cross. It's the only thing that makes sense behind the decision to permit him a chance to rehabilitate himself.

The animation argument is still under advisement and the defense may be compelled to present still shots rather than the animation. I hope the animation comes in as I understand it's very good, demonstratively speaking.

A couple more expert witness to destroy the testimony of the M.E. and the defense might then rest.

Barring the state putting on a needlessly long rebuttal and a long-winded Motion For Acquittal/Rebuttal at the conclusion of all testimony, we could have our verdict by Friday.

Great analysis Bob, Roger Cossack has nothing on you!

Naturally it should. Goes directly to the issue of a tendency towards violence, which is directly relevant to Zimmerman's defense, which is that he was violently attacked, a fact denied by the prosecution.

Agree that the defence should finish by Thursday or Friday.
But 6 women make up their minds in one day .....
Never going to happen.

Figures....

Yep!