To all,
I had no real fight in this until my name was brought into it by those that have no idea of the actual dealings that occured.
Right up front I will be honest with you. Bulletsmith is a very close friend of mine. Nothing I would not do for this man, NOTHING. That said, this is not about taking sides. I will list what happened as far as I was concerned, take for what you will and leave it at that.
The only reason I am posting is because some on here(Savage2005) made it sound like this was all a result of me not getting the money to Wildcat bullets that Les paid me. So to this guy(Savage2005), I was the middle man because I had the bullets in stock ready to ship and Wildcat Bullets did not. It was in an attempt to get Les the bullets he wanted As Fast As Possible. Thats called customer service my friend!!!
Another thing, have you ever received bullets from Canada??? Takes two weeks minimum to get from Wildcat Bullets to me and I live in Montana. Seven hours away by driving!!! Maybe you understand the middleman issue a bit better with these facts my friend.
Here is how things occured. Believe me or not, this is how it happened.
I was contacted by Bulletsmith because Les wanted to try some of his 130 gr 257 cal bullets. There were none in stock at Wildcat Bullets but I keep a large supply on hand for use in my 257 Allen Mag which the bullets were really designed for.
I was asked to ship out two boxes of bullets to Les which I did.
A few days later I was contacted by les who was not overly happy because he had mistakenly been charged twice for the 2 boxes of bullets and he had MOs on the way to both Wildcat Bullets and myself.
I contacted Wildcat Bullets and Les and it was agreed that I would deposit the money order Les had mailed to me, take the shipping charges I had personally spent to get the bullets to Les and cut Les a business check for the balance, which was $60.00 total. I cut that check on August 3rd of last year, mailed it to Les and the check was deposited before I received my bank statement for that month.
As I was told there was already a payment headed to Wildcat Bullets, I figured I had done the right thing and squared up with Les so that he would not be charged twice for these bullets.
I thought things were over and finished btu appearently not. WIldcat Bullets never received the other money order that was supposedly sent by Les weither it got lost or who know, it never arrived.
The MO that Les claims was deposited was in fact deposited by me and then he was cut a check from Allen Precision Shooting for $60 check number #1370 on August 3rd, 2005.
So for those that feel this is on me, I was led to believe Les had paid twice for these bullets and was only trying to make thing right with Les pure and simple
Again, I do not want to stir the pot, just stand up for my name that has been brought into this by those that have no clue as to the details of this matter.
Is it a big misunderstanding, maybe, but it could have been taken care of long ago. Just as I tried to correct the double charging ASAP when I found out about it.
TO those that say this is on WIldcat Bullets for shipping bullets without payment. Obviously many of you have no understanding of international shipping. Sometimes things get lost, Not a regular occurance but enough to cause problems.
Wildcat Bullets does this so that if a package is lost it is on Wildcat Bullets and not the customer. Bulletsmith simply does not want the customer to be paying for a product until its in their hands.
Anyone that would put the risk on their own shoulders instead of the customers is my kind of person.
One last comment and then I am finished, it is the responsibility of the producer to get the product in the hand of the customer. The responsibility does not stop when the package is dropped off in the mail or to the shippers. The responsibility of the producer does not end until the product is IN THE HANDS OF THE CUSTOMER!!!
From that point on, it is the same for the customer with the payment. When the MO is dropped in the mail the responsibilty is not over for the customer, not until the payment is in the HANDS OF THE PRODUCER has the customer satisfied his responsibility to the producer.
In this case, the bullets were in Les's hands ASAP. We even went above and beyond to make sure Les was not charged twice for these bullets.
Did Les mail the MO, probably, have no proof against that but it never got to Wildcat Bullets.
Was a money order deposited, yes, by me and then all that money save the shipping charges was returned to Les ASAP, by me, with bank records to prove it for anyone that wants to read them!!!
For what its worth, I do not expect any of you to believe this but in defense of myself and Wildcat Bullets I had to post this reply. This may have been a simple misunderstanding but it was allowed to get out of hand long ago and unfortunately it had to come to this to get resolved.
For those of you that want full discloser and honest about the poster, so be it!!!!
Kirby Allen
Allen Precision Shooting
#99 Stevenson Rd
Fort Shaw, MT 59443
kballen@3rivers.netI will treat any custom the same way I did Les, try to do what is right as soon as possible which I feel we did. As far as who I believe on the matter, If Bulletsmith tells me he did not receiver a MO, that is the trueth, end of story for me. Above having a professional relationship with him, I value his personal friendship much more. If fact I can assure you that all your loyalties to Les may well be perfectly justified, My loyalties to my friend are just as justified and I would stand by him, his business and his products to the end of any situation because I KNOW the man. I do not correspond with him on chat rooms, I do not e-mial with him occasionally, I have lived with the man, I have stayed with him and his family and felt like a member of that family from the minute I walked through his door, I have hunted with the man and know for a fact his level of ethics and morals. The MO did not arrive at Wildcat Bullets. I would stake everything I own on that fact.
I am not saying it was not mailed by Les but it did not arrive at Wildcat Bullets. Enough said, wasted typing I am sure but just wanted to give the facts from my end on the matter as many of you brought my name into the issue, so be it. Part of doing business I guess, not the good part of it though!!
Good day and have a good weekend.
mn[/email] shame it took 7 pages for someone to pay a small bill. 
