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Exactly. When faced with them you change the subject and pretend the prior conversation didn't happen. "Nothing to see here...."

You took some measurements from a couple scopes. Good job. It's something everybody should do with every scope they have.

Were you expecting a cookie? Maybe a golf clap? Your point was?

Some of us have been doing that for years. Don't get me wrong, I applaud your joining of the effort to educate the masses on the importance of doing such measurements--as many of us have been doing for years.

But please don't delude yourself into thinking you invented the whole idea.

Your test ignores the ability to hold zero with use and abuse, which is my #1 concern. Mount to a rifle, zero, then bang around. I've a test that makes a Leup zero shift every time. Lay in the back of a truck (on a rubber mat) and bounce around off road (don't pussyfoot around). See if the Leup holds zero. Do the same with the NF. Report back.

Also doesn't take into account the failure rates Formidilosus stated he had observed in the Leupolds. Didn't say they all fail, only about 20-30% of the variable Mark 4s. I wonder if RC's test were run on 10 Leupolds after they had been subject to a BUNCH of dialing, would every one of them pass?

John

This is where Leupold gave away the farm.
Leupold has directed the chi-coms to build there erector assemblies to a very minimum standard.Leupolds calculation
is that most of there scopes won't get used that much.And thats the market they build for.
Oh they look pretty good out of the box.You can screw it down on a jig and just impress the crap out of yourself.But built to the low quality standard they are, they typically fail when pushed to anything near professional use.Then everyone can yak on about what wonderful service they have.Pretty much like free advertising.
With the historically high failure rate and glass that can best be described at second or even third tier at best.
I dont understand the attraction.

dave

He also tried to say that the MK 4 from his test failed when in actuality it worked perfectly.

I think he is probably a decent guy but he sure went into his �test� expecting to see the Leupold have problems. From where I sit a whole bunch of operator error and rifle issues get blamed on the optic.



The Leupold in his test had been subject to a BUNCH of dialing. I would love for someone to actually produce a MK 4/ VX 3 LR for independent testing that didn�t work.

With all these supposed Leupold failures one could rightly assume the hateres have at least one example of a bad Leupold LR scope that could be tested by a few different members.

Anybody???

Formid,

Willing to send that failed MK 4 to Rick and have him run it on the board???? If it tests bad I will buy it from you at full MAP price.



You should try doing some hunting. You would soon understand the attraction.

Over a dozen different campfire members have dialed this exact optic. has been dialed way more than a bunch and I ran a test on it last October.

Still works perfect. 475 yds.

John, do the truck bed off-road test on one of your scopes. Seems easy enough.

I had a VX-II 3-9x40 "go bad" on me. I sold it to EddyBo with full disclosure that I would pay for shipping to Leupold if it didn't work him.

He stuck it on a 280 AI and it tracked to 800 perfectly and guided a few way Sub MOA groups.

Turned out, it was me and my rifle that went bad.

Not trying to make a statement, just a story I thought was kind of funny, looking back at it.

Looks like the Leupolds passed your own test. Are you the guy who made these videos?

Easy test. Do it.

You do it and film it.

As previously mentioned, I've already done it. You spent a lot of time with a scope in a vice on a bench not even mounted on a rifle but you wont take the time to see how it holds up under use? Leupold is proud of you.....

rcamuglia - please explain how your test and a "bunch of dialing" is relevant to the scope's ability to hold zero under hard use.

Looks like people are looking for different things out of scopes. Of the 10-ish Leupold variables I've had, all tracked pretty consistently, at least as consistently as I could measure. As such, you could use them all for dialing purposes if required.

A little under half tracked with correct values respective to their markings; most were a little fast, some fixed power ones were slow. The newest variables (from the hunting line, haven't tried any of the new fancy tactical models) were better in this regard, but still not perfect. You can map them and use them, but it isn't ideal.

I saw unexplained POI shifts in most of them within a year of use, usually 2 MOA+. This bothered me the most, and ultimately resulted in me not using Leupold variables anymore. I just don't trust them to hold a sight in, and I hate second guessing my sight in the whole time I'm hunting.

They aren't BAD scopes at all, in fact they do some things better than pretty much any other company. My personal lack of trust in POI consistency is why I don't use them anymore.

I'm done explaining and backing it up with fact.

Seems since you're making all of the allegations without posting a shred of support for them, it's time to do so.

He said..., I heard... So and so told me and all the other hearsay will be thrown out as a bunch of lip-flapping BS






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The test has been run on thousands of Leupolds and scopes from other makers on the very equipment you see in the photos. You should read back in the thread a bit.

Dialing a Leupold a BUNCH actually makes them better.





That's just it. Unless you have the equipment I have shown, you really have no idea how well your scope works. Or doesn't

rcamuglia, again I ask, please explain how your test and a "bunch of dialing" is relevant to the scope's ability to hold zero under hard use. You insinuate there are facts supporting this. Please show me the facts. I see none.

Please enlighten us on how your equipment test for POI shifts when used (and abused). Hint, it doesn't.

I have done the truck bed test. My Leupolds have passed with flying colors.









For those unfamiliar with the "Truck Bed Test" it starts with an empty truck bed and ends with a full truck bed.

Lot of people feel that way.
dave

The concern is confirmed by the fact that John and A Bolt (I never can remember his handle) run from the POI shift issue.

John, send me one of your scopes and I'll test it with video.

I'll do the dirt road test tomorrow, with a VX-3 3.5-10x40 with Target knobs.... I'm really curious to see how it does.

I'll shoot 1 or 2 to establish a zero, take a little ride with the rifle in the bed of the truck, and come back and shoot at the same dot.