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Imo , this thread is an advertisement. Rick Bin runs a business here and promoting gear through this site is how he gets paid . You don't run promotive threads with links to the merchants site without paying. The fact that Sreekers opened this thread means he is part of the promotion team and the review is an advertisement also. There may be valuable information in the review but it is far from impartial. I hope the pack is everything that it's promoted as. I know for a certainty that Seek Outside is supporting Paradox Packs and denial of this fact puzzels me. When you hide ads as honest reviews and and lie about and obfuscate the the facts it leads me to distrust any claim made. I have personally talked with Nathan and found him most helpful and pleasant and I admire that he has designed a pack and is chasing his dreams but the way it is being marketed leaves me less than enamored of his pack for no other reason than his marketing conduct.

WTFF? I want to read about new gear however the hell I can and this is a good way to do it. Take your axe grinding elsewhere.

I smell koolaid

Dave

SO is a longtime campfire sponsor. There has been no hiding the Paradox / SO affiliation. It has been mentioned on SO's site and FB page for a long time.

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Dave, "affiliated" in the context you originally used it implied a business or monetary connection. That is a false allegation. Let me spell this out for you very clearly. Scott and I both write for SO's blog. That is an UNPAID position. Further, I have NO business connection to Seek Outside. Paradox Packs is a solitary entity, not a subsidiary. This can easily be verified by searching the Colorado Secretary of State's website.

I don't think we have a need to "disclose" anything. [/quote]

As you were saying Kevin.

Dave, really? We've said for weeks that SO and Paradox are sister companies. My post that you quoted is absolutely accurate.

This whole thing of disclosure is rather pointless at this stage in the road. The Paradox pack isn't available for purchase yet. As soon as it is anyone is welcome to buy one and post what ever they find. Review away as the case may be.

As far as Scott's review, he and the other reviewers are reviewing packs that are already on the market in addition to the Paradox. Nathan and Kevin are somewhat running a risk of including a pack that may not be in it's final form.

That said, I have no stake in Paradox packs and very limited business dealings with SO. I have however written gear reviews for a number of magazines over the past 25 years. Some of those magazines include Climbing, Sea Kayaker, Successful Hunter, UltraRunning and Trail Runner.

In reply to a previous post. I have purchased two packs directly from kifaru with no dicount or incentive and one used Kifaru Sawtooth tent off their forum trading post. I am a consumer of their gear and that is the extent of my financial relationship with Kifaru. I have been completely satisfied with my purchases. I have no doubt of Ed T's experience , willingness to provide helpful guidance , and his genuine decency. I was simply pointing out that he had a business relationship and personal friendship with a closely related business and underwriter of the pack. In fact , his opinion was the one I would have most trusted and still will. I do stand by the opinion that there is no way that the review being conducted by Sreekers could ever be unbiased. I ment no offense to Ed T and my only real problem is that I find stealth advertising to be offensive. The Paradox my be the best pack ever made but stealth advertising and canned reviews will not be what makes me a believer.

Point made Dave. I'd be thankful if you would allow us to get back to topic now.

Nathan

Edit: I should have started a Paradox introduction thread instead of hijacking sreekers. Maybe it would have set the tone? My mistake.

Thanks for bringing it up Dave. Frankly, it always seemed weird to me too.

Oh beautiful open forum that blows up in your face

You're right, poor choice of words, you're an azzhole.

Why, thank you , Take_A_Knee . Coming from such a classy fellow as yourself I take that as a complement. .

Less BS about marketing/advertising, and more info/reviews about the pack, please.

Now back to your regular programming...

Imagine... folks actually know each other in the business... who'd'a thunk...

Anyway, if a demo gets passed around for reviews, I'd take it out late fall and get blood on it before sending it back with a review.

Kent

Give it to krp so I can play with it too on his deer hunt!

I use a MR nice frame in about the same configuration... dry bags with webbing straps/harness I home made. I like the Paradox philosophy and will be interested in the reviews.

Kent

Are you a Leprechaun?

Just not a puzzy I guess...

Anyway, the paradox looks to have some serious back venting, which is appealing here in Az. I'll start scouting next month even with the high heat, packing into wilderness.

Like others, I'm pretty much set with a variety of packs... but this could be enough different on the plus side to make me think about it.

Kent

That is for sure. Just be advised that the NICE frame is the same length as an ALICE frame. Ask a chiropractor about the "military neck" phenomenom. He'll clue you in. There is a fine line between hard and stupid. Sometimes the Army goes way over that line to the stupid side. MR made the NICE frame to Army specs. There are far better ways to pack heavy loads.