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So you've never shot an animal with a rifle that was outside bow range?

And you wave your arms around before every shot?

Fascinating.

I'm sure he gets it.

However, Rost495s response to you is. "Who wounds more animals in the course of a year? Decade? Archers or Riflemen? I would think the Riflemen are the dubious winners.

If an archer wounds "needlessly" what does that say about a rifleman with his much more efficient equipment? Are you saying archery hunting should not be allowed? I.E. If we didn't allow archery hunting we wouldn't have any "needless" wounding?

Your way out there steel.

First off, nobody uses a firearm to get within 20 yrds of their game. If there's one that you can show repeated clips of killing game routinely at that range with a rifle, then I"ll concede.

Rifle hunters will take the first opportunity to shoot if that animal is in their effective range. (THat's the whole issue with the post you can't comprehend) With modern firearms and technology to go with them, anyone will be able to hit a pie plate at 1000 yrds. There's even smart Scopes now, and smart bullets that all you do is get the animal(or man) in the scope and pull the trigger.

Today and in the future shooting will take over where hunting took place in the past. If you can't comprehend the difference then says a lot. The shooting was the final stage of the hunt to finish the effort. Today, it's the first stage and the last.

To say that animals jump bow strings and not concede that animals can take several steps before the bullet covers a 1000 yrds is BS.

Steel, what Broad heads did you use?
Bow?
What was your draw length?
What type of arrow did you use?
What did the Broad head weight?

Steel, I have to ask!

Where you in favor of remote controlled hunts. Where you shoot animals from your computer?

Shooting and hunting are one in the same! Laffin!

My take from the article is that in this day and age there is a lack of respect in general. A lack of respect for the game, nature, the hunt, oneself and others in general. Everything has become polluted with instant gratification and technology. There is no effort put forth and therefore no respect for anything and no wisdom earned.
It's not hard at all to go into the field and blast deer with a custom rifle guaranteed to sub MOA over your groomed food plot that you've been watching trophies come in to for months via your 50+ game camera's. And there is no pressure when you have a handful of tags and a density of 75 deer per square mile due to all the private farmland that supports it. Technology is destroying the true meaning of hunting. There is a difference between hunting big timber public land and limiting your shots to sane distances and sniping animals at 500+ yards over a crop field out of a cozy elevated box blind on private, un-pressured land. Just keep in mind what you do and say will be judged by those trying to take away hunting all together and it just doesn't look good.
Do as you wish, it's a free country. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, until it interferes with another's way of life of course. Remember NOTHING goes to waste in the field. If a deer happens to get wounded (bow or rifle) and not recovered it is used without a doubt by other animals. You may not like it but you'll get over it and it will make you more careful.
To sit here and tear each other apart over philosophy and preferred tool of choice is ridiculous and feeds directly into the agenda of the antis. They have done similar before pitting hound hunters against non-hound hunters trying to get rid of bear hunting in Michigan. It isn't worth it.

It's always the dumbest sons-of-bitches that think they are the smartest.

Only in America can someone spawned in a rest stop become an 'elitist'

Popcorn, right here...

DF

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Lotta truth to that in my book. +1 PG.

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Not a single critter from a tree stand. I enjoy hunting close, but apparently because I use a rifle that don't make sense to the inbred.

Steelhead, while bow hunting holds as much interest for me as shooting cattle in a pen,(I really haven't been following this argument), BUT that 99 is interesting.. what caliber is that little gem???

slobs in general is a good statement.

The fact that game CAN jump a string is one thing. The fact that 25 years ago it took a few non vital hits for me to learn a thing or two about our local TX deer... once learned, I've not had a deer jump a string since I can't actually remember.

I guarantee this simply by the distances I limit my shots to and the deers attitude at the time.

In the last 15 or so years I can't recall following my own rules and ever missing my aim mark by much more than a few inches. In fact I can't recall missing the heart in at least the last 10 years.

I am of German descent. Maybe that's why I"m superior in abilities?

Scott

I've always envied that last sitka there... Really nice!

And you SOB... gonna make me buy a 99 eventually, though I want an 88 first....

not quite, but fairly close on a couple of hogs. They don't move like deer do so I was comfortable with the shot. I"d have thought elk to be same years ago, but these days seems like them and muleys have even figured out that skinny blue jays may not be friendly to their health

Thank you. I enjoyed that

Now we're resorting to name calling? Congratulations on the frustration.

The Internet is a wonderful place where you can be and claim anything you want.

The article was never about rifle vs bow.

Sorry you can't understand that.

That was good.

Not sure about that middle finger up in the air...!

Wonder what he was trying to tell us...

DF

That was a cool looking pig there Scott. It is funny that some of these folks cannot grasp limiting shots with a rifle to bow range. Especially, when they are asking long range shooters to limit their rifle shots to their idea of "ethical" distances.

It is also funny that some guy wearing full scent blocker camo and a wearing a butt load of cover scent wants me to get closer to an animal because distance takes the advantage of a deer's eyes and nose away.

They are all just lumps of meat in a leather sack to me. Hell I would spot light em if it were legal.

Not sure if thats directed to me, but I understand the concept, and I've done it myself. It's just that 99.5% of rifle hunters don't limit themselves to bow range, so it's a rare individual who does. Not even Steelheads's limited sample of photos is limited to bow range( for most mortals).

Steelhead is an exception and would do fine with a bow, but that doesn't make the general statement that the two weapons are equal in the challenges they present true. If I'm at 30 yards with the buck or bull of a lifetime, there is no question which weapon I'd want in my hand.

I'm not knocking LR hunting or saying bowhunting is "superior" because those are just personal value judgments, and bowhunters do have certain advantages. In the end, there's no group of hunters whose sh** don't stink.

Like I said, I use a muzzleloader but it's not to harken back to the days of yore or limit myself, it's because I get to hunt elk in good weather, in the rut.

Having to get closer is just a bonus.