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Why the 280? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.gunsandammo.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/reloading-the-280-remington/280-remington_003.jpg) The .280 (center) easily holds its own with the .270 (left) and the .30-06. Photo and text courtesy of Guns&Ammo* The 280 Remington is nearly identical to the 270 Winchester in many aspects (though, the 270, on paper, is the marginally better performer). Even the recoil appears similar (according to Chuck Hawk's recoil table). The price is a dime's difference (as of 8/1/13): $1.40/shot for 270 and $1.50/shot for 280. I like the 280, but on paper the 270 is a better performer. The only difference, I imagine, would be it's potential effect on game with a larger diameter (270's .277 v the 280's .284 diameter). What's your opinion between the two rounds. What would you pick, and why? Personally, and this is all theoretical for now, I'd choose the 280. Again, theoretically (as I do not hunt or reload yet), I'd have a 280 for small & medium sized game and a 7mm Rem Mag for large game. The 280 and 7mm bullets are interchangeable, though I may choose heavier weights for the 7mm Rem Mag. As I'm sure someone will ask, I'd like to hunt: Deer Sheep Elk Moose and, Recreational target shooting (mostly gongs but some paper) out to 800 yards. * http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/05/22/reloading-the-280-remington/
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.280....Ackley..... 
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Remington wanted a .270 and Winchester already had one.
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I have chosen the .270. Who needs a wider bullet selection when the ones available for the .270 work so well? I've owned five .270s (two currently) and have no designs on the .280.
Nothing wrong with it, but when I made the choice, the .280 was all but dead. It might as well be, now, for that matter. There aren't a lot of choices in .280 rifles unless you build one. That is pretty telling, right there.
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My pick is the .280 Remington. For no particular reason other than I like the 7mm. The 30-06 and the .270 WCF are excellent hunting cartridges in their own right.
I sincerely doubt any deer in North America, be they of the whitetail or blacktail variety would know the difference if they were hit with a projectile from any of the three cartridges.
Luckily, I think this is a spot where you can't go wrong. What you should do is find a rifle you like and if it is only available in 270 then buy it. (likewise 30-06)If it is sitting on the dealer's shelf chambered in .280, then you have been living right and should not dicker about the price tag.
Just pay for it and take it home.
Enjoy.
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the pic tells the story... ![[Linked Image]](http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r74/RDFinn/Ackley-1.jpg)
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I think RDFinn nailed it!!
I don't always venture out into the sub-freezing darkness, but when I do, it is deer hunting season, and I carry a Remington. Stay hungry my friends.
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there's no getting around greater case capacity and better bullets.
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I'm afraid I lack the expertise to know what I'm looking at...
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280 Remington on left, 280 Ackley on right....
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30/06 on left, 280 Ackley on the right.
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Why the 280? The .280 (center) easily holds its own with the .270 (left) and the .30-06. Photo and text courtesy of Guns&Ammo* The 280 Remington is nearly identical to the 270 Winchester in many aspects (though, the 270, on paper, is the marginally better performer). Even the recoil appears similar (according to Chuck Hawk's recoil table). The price is a dime's difference (as of 8/1/13): $1.40/shot for 270 and $1.50/shot for 280. I like the 280, but on paper the 270 is a better performer. The only difference, I imagine, would be it's potential effect on game with a larger diameter (270's .277 v the 280's .284 diameter). What's your opinion between the two rounds. What would you pick, and why? Personally, and this is all theoretical for now, I'd choose the 280. Again, theoretically (as I do not hunt or reload yet), I'd have a 280 for small & medium sized game and a 7mm Rem Mag for large game. The 280 and 7mm bullets are interchangeable, though I may choose heavier weights for the 7mm Rem Mag. As I'm sure someone will ask, I'd like to hunt: Deer Sheep Elk Moose and, Recreational target shooting (mostly gongs but some paper) out to 800 yards. * http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/05/22/reloading-the-280-remington/ Since you do not handload (yet) I would get the .270. Ammo can be found anywhere and for the animals you listed,the .270 would work just as well as the .280 and 7mm Mag.
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The 7x 57 had been around since the turn of the century but it never took off in the US as it did elsewhere. So Remington just renamed it essentially to the 280.
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Well there's always the 270 Weatherby, 270WSM, and 270 Gibbs. Just saying. 
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.280 Such a great bullet selection.
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I'd been hearing about that "greater bullet selection" for the .280 for years, so maybe 3 years ago went to the Midway site (which sells just about every component bullet made, except during Obama panics.
Found out there were something like 170 7mm bullets for sale, and 150 .270 bullets. The 7mms went up to 175 grains and the .270's up to 160 grains. These days I'd bet there are more on the low end for the .270, due to the 6.8 SPC.
I've never seen the .270 have the slightest trouble killing any sort of big game, including elk, moose and similar-sized African plains game, with 150-grain bullets. As a result I wondered why the 175-grain 7mm is supposed to be such hot stuff. Tried a few on various animals and found out it didn't kill any better than the 150 .270.
This is also what I've generally found with a pile of big game rounds of approximately the same power, in calibers from .270 to .30-06, including various 7mm magnums and the smaller .300 magnums. Oh, and the .280 Remington and .280 AI, which I've used some too. Hit an animal right with a good bullet using any of them and the animal dies, pretty damn soon.
Yeah, some 7mm bullets have enough edge in ballistic coefficient that way out past 500 yards you'd see some difference in wind drift. But if you don't shoot past 500 there isn't the slightest bit of difference between the .270, .280 or .280 AI.
Now, if you run out of ammo some place like, say, eastern Montana, you might be able to find .280 ammo and you might not. But you'll for sure be able to find .270 ammo, even if you have to knock on some rancher's door. He might not have any but one of his neighbors will.
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Now, if you run out of ammo some place like, say, eastern Montana, you might be able to find .280 ammo and you might not. But you'll for sure be able to find .270 ammo, even if you have to knock on some rancher's door. He might not have any but one of his neighbors will.
Or even in Sopchoppy, of course you won't have to go that far as someone will have a box in their truck.
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greater bullet availability is only an advantage where the competitor has very little selection.....this just simply isn't the case with most cartridges these days....all it takes is just one bullet that your gun likes and the rest of the selection is irrelevant.....
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I'd been hearing about that "greater bullet selection" for the .280 for years, so maybe 3 years ago went to the Midway site (which sells just about every component bullet made, except during Obama panics.
Found out there were something like 170 7mm bullets for sale, and 150 .270 bullets. The 7mms went up to 175 grains and the .270's up to 160 grains. These days I'd bet there are more on the low end for the .270, due to the 6.8 SPC.
I've never seen the .270 have the slightest trouble killing any sort of big game, including elk, moose and similar-sized African plains game, with 150-grain bullets. As a result I wondered why the 175-grain 7mm is supposed to be such hot stuff. Tried a few on various animals and found out it didn't kill any better than the 150 .270.
This is also what I've generally found with a pile of big game rounds of approximately the same power, in calibers from .270 to .30-06, including various 7mm magnums and the smaller .300 magnums. Oh, and the .280 Remington and .280 AI, which I've used some too. Hit an animal right with a good bullet using any of them and the animal dies, pretty damn soon.
Yeah, some 7mm bullets have enough edge in ballistic coefficient that way out past 500 yards you'd see some difference in wind drift. But if you don't shoot past 500 there isn't the slightest bit of difference between the .270, .280 or .280 AI.
Now, if you run out of ammo some place like, say, eastern Montana, you might be able to find .280 ammo and you might not. But you'll for sure be able to find .270 ammo, even if you have to knock on some rancher's door. He might not have any but one of his neighbors will.
Thank gawd Mule Deer is here...  Somehow, I knew the 280AI mavens would run to this thread like ants to a pile of offal....they display an astonishing proclivity for not being able to stick to the subject at hand.....like Democrats  If you've killed BG animals with a 280, you've killed it with a 270,and vice versa....if you've killed game with factory-loaded 7Rem Mag ammo, you've for sure killed it with a 280AI,given its' best loads.....and if you've killed game with a 280,you've killed it with a 280AI 25 yards further away....and so it goes.  Referring to the original post,if I had a 280 (I don't anymore;see Mule Deer's post),and I wanted to make a jump to a bigger BG cartridge, it would be at least a 338,and preferably, a 375H&H or 375 Ruger; not a 7 Rem Mag. If I didn't already have a few 270's, I'd be perfectly happy with a 280. Again as to the original post,additional frontal area can have an effect, but not at the level of swapping a 7mm for a 270......007" is nothing to get excited about, whether in expanded or non-expanded form. I know this drives the 7mm fans nuts but a 270 IS a 7mm. Anyone who needs 150-170 bullets to choose from and bases his cartridge selection on this is schitzo......for killing game with the 270 or 280, you need maybe one for each....and they are both Partitions. I'm beginning to remember why I no longer read Guns and Ammo.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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