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I don't see what the BFD is? The guy was a dirtbag,albeit an old dirtbag. If we start shooting every dirtbag, there's going to be a real ammo shortage.
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It is a shame, ain't it? Maybe cloning will come to pass. If cloning comes to pass they'll likely start with folks of at least average size, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. You a meat gazer? You been followin' me into the bathroom? I'm hurt you didn't introduce yourself!.....(not really) No, but everything about your posts lead me to believe that you're just a little fella spending your life trying to convince everyone you're a big fella.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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It is a shame, ain't it? Maybe cloning will come to pass. If cloning comes to pass they'll likely start with folks of at least average size, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. You a meat gazer? You been followin' me into the bathroom? I'm hurt you didn't introduce yourself!.....(not really) No, but everything about your posts lead me to believe that you're just a little fella spending your life trying to convince everyone you're a big fella. Well, at 5'8"/170#, I AM a little fella. I've carried my load in spite of that.
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I'm sure you have. And I'm sure we'd all like you a lot better if you'd stop trying so hard to convince us of that.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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I'm sure you have. And I'm sure we'd all like you a lot better if you'd stop trying so hard to convince us of that. I never have been one to pick a fight but I was always on my feet when it got broke up, plan to do so in the future. Like the saying, "Don't start no [bleep]...."
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They couldn't disarm a 107 year old man? No this was all about flexing the muscle and the switching of police to a police state.
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It is a shame, ain't it? Maybe cloning will come to pass.
You've been cloned, Google fleshlight
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If anybody shoots at me, I'm going to do everything in my power to return fire with deadly force. This ain't about figuring out how young or old he is-he shot at them! Were you in the same situation, can you honestly tell me you'd not return fire?
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If anybody shoots at me, I'm going to do everything in my power to return fire with deadly force. This ain't about figuring out how young or old he is-he shot at them! Were you in the same situation, can you honestly tell me you'd not return fire? I have no idea how long it took this situation to play out. I can however tell you that if I was in that situation, I would have no need to immidiently gas and storm the bed room of a 107 year old armed man, especially when he was no threat to anyone except himself.
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By the time it gets to shots fired at police thru walls/door and people threatened I think you've lost all your rights to be dealt with leniently.
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By the time it gets to shots fired at police thru walls/door and people threatened I think you've lost all your rights to be dealt with leniently. Maybe so but I would like to know how much time was spent trying to talk him down before making that determination. It is rather alarming that these killings of senior citizens seem to be getting more common.
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I don't see what the BFD is? The guy was a dirtbag,albeit an old dirtbag. The BFD is that history is written by the victors. All we know is what the SWAT team and their associates tell us. Dead men tell no tales. The BFD is that the death penalty is not issued by the Police in this country. However, the militarized units of the police disagree with this, and are learning how to justify the actions they take. "he aimed a gun". See point one. The BFD is that to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. A 107 year old man is not a nail.
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If anybody shoots at me, I'm going to do everything in my power to return fire with deadly force. This ain't about figuring out how young or old he is-he shot at them! Were you in the same situation, can you honestly tell me you'd not return fire? There is a group on the fire that take cracks at the police regardless of what they would actually do if faced with a similar situation. They like to tell big stories about how they would have handled the situation, like going in and getting him with their ballistic shield. The anonymity of the Internet has created these heroes.
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According to some news reports the old man was legally deaf and blind. Perhaps the question is "Where were his caregivers?" Why were two people in his house and why did they call police? Why did they not tell police he was disabled?
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they could've just set the house on fire
that's pretty popular these days when 5 minutes worth of negotiations break down
light that mofo....the Krispy Kreme sign is flashing HOT DONUTS gottdammit
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I wonder how much a 357 round slows down when fired by someone who is 107 vs 27. I bet it would not even penetrate the door.
Age of the bad guy is not an issue. Don't be surprised when you fire a gun at someone and they fire back. Ballistic shields stop 'em 100% of the time. I'd rather get shot than go down as the pussy cop who killed the "deadly" centenarian. Fatalities from handgun wounds are FAR from the rule, especially if you have some competent TCCC-trained medics nearby. Wearing level IV armor, MICH helmet, shield and you couldn't bum rush an disarm a 107yo man? Please! Had he been firing a Garand out the window, then yeah, he was owed a bullet, but he'd let his "captors" go and was apparently a threat to no-one. This is ATF-Branch Davidianesqe "Look at us" [bleep]. ] Meet my friend Andy, he was killed in the kine of duty while wearing a vest and being shot with a handgun. My simple guess is you are a no load pus-nuts chicken [bleep] keyboard commando. Who, should he ever come out of his parents basement and actually find himself in a bad situation would probably cry like a baby and piss your pants. It is very damned likely that they were formulating a plan to make an entry and subdue him when he started shooting. At that point all bets are off. GFY
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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heard on the news this morning he was legally blind and pretty much deaf.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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Lots of folks are legally blind without correction , then they put their glasses on & can legally drive an automobile & do anything else that folks with normal eyesight can do.
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doesn't really matter anyways, once you start shooting at someone all bets are off.
God bless Texas----------------------- Old 300 I will remain what i am until the day I die- A HUNTER......Sitting Bull Its not how you pick the booger.. but where you put it !! Roger V Hunter
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[quote=Zrack656]I wonder how much a 357 round slows down when fired by someone who is 107 vs 27. I bet it would not even penetrate the door.
Age of the bad guy is not an issue. Don't be surprised when you fire a gun at someone and they fire back. Ballistic shields stop 'em 100% of the time. I'd rather get shot than go down as the pussy cop who killed the "deadly" centenarian. Fatalities from handgun wounds are FAR from the rule, especially if you have some competent TCCC-trained medics nearby. Wearing level IV armor, MICH helmet, shield and you couldn't bum rush an disarm a 107yo man? Please! [\quote] Had he been firing a Garand out the window, then yeah, he was owed a bullet, but he'd let his "captors" go and was apparently a threat to no-one. This is ATF-Branch Davidianesqe "Look at us" Funny, funny, stuff. You must be a real badass, charging armed men and not being concerned about getting shot with a handgun because a TCCC trained medic is nearby. If we just had a team of people like you that could travel around the county solving these situations we wouldn't need the police at all.
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