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We need more of these! [bleep] those [bleep] [bleep] in DC!

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SPRINGDALE � A heavy metal gate with a large "do not enter" sign was not enough to stop James Milligan from visiting Zion National Park on Saturday.

"I wanted to go hiking today, and so I thought I'd invite some friends to come join me," Milligan said before leading about a dozen protesters over the fence and into Zion. "The way I see it this is our park over here and no one has a right to shut us out of it."

The group met about 8 a.m. just outside the park's entrance, energetic about their plan despite the chill that persisted in the shadow of the red rock cliffs. The parking lot and entrance to the park looked more like a ghost town than one of Utah's largest tourist destinations, and the gate at the end of the pedestrian bridge into the park remained locked.

They called the excursion "Occupy Zion," an act of civil disobedience in protest of the federal government shutdown that closed the park Tuesday.

Zion park representatives met the group near the gate, warning them of possible consequences if they chose to ignore the closure and enter the park.

"We did warn them we are closed, and they seem to understand that," Aly Baltrus, a public information officer for the National Park Service said. "We are simply observing, and we'll be taking pictures. We're trying to let people know they can get tickets and they can get cited later, and we're trying to get them to just follow the basic rules."

That did not deter Milligan, a Cedar City resident and manager of Zion Outfitter. "Just because they're having a dispute in Washington doesn't mean they can close the park and kill the town of Springdale," he said.

"It's an American legacy, this is something that was set aside for us, it's supposed to be preserved and protected for all generations so we can come here enjoy this area, and right now we can't enjoy it."

Through the week Milligan said he has seen crowds of disappointed tourists turn back when they see the closed signs, though a few found ways to wander in on their own. Similar scenes of disappointment were replayed throughout the country, at the shores of San Francisco Bay with Alcatraz Island tours canceled, and in Washington where conflict broke out at the World War II memorial.

Protesters and park officials agreed some of the saddest victims of the shutdown are the visitors, many from other countries, who have saved for years and planned for months to explore the one-of-a-kind terrain in Utah's National Parks.

Melissa Norris, a St. George resident, was one of the first over the fence Saturday. Like many in the group, she took a trash bag and gloves with her in order to clean up litter on the way out.

When she returned, she chatted briefly with Matthew Chuvarsky, a park ranger who was supposed to work his first season patrolling trails in Zion this year, but instead spent Saturday standing sentinel at the entrance. Together they discussed how a tour bus waiting in the parking lot wouldn't be able to come in before Chuvarsky politely offered to hold Norris' backpack while she climbed back over the gate.

Many park officials are working without pay. Saturday, however, the House of Representatives in Washington, D.C. unanimously voted to guarantee that federal workers will receive back pay when the government shutdown ends. The Senate is expected to follow suit.

Norris called the empty park both eerie and beautiful, "like Zion used to be 20 years ago," and said her visit was worth any ticket she might face.

"I'm concerned, of course, but I knew there were consequences coming in," Norris said. "Shoot, if I have a record at 47 because I made a statement, then I have a record at 47."

Norris said she wasn't sure whether anyone took her picture while she was in the park, but quipped "I hope not, I didn't put on my makeup on this morning."

The park will remain closed until Congress funds the government and restarts federal operations. SR-9, which runs through Zion Park, remains open for travel, but motorists are asked not to stop and access trails.

Screw the Feds and any of their goons who run Citizens out of PUBLIC LAND!

Any Federal employee who buys into Obumfug's little stunts is a traitor, same as the Mulatto from Kenya.

We're all going to either toe the Party line or become criminals...

If you've never been a criminal, you're certainly the main target.

Now, judging � [oops! can't do that here, can I?] � surmising from the error messages that I keep getting, they're trying to shut our Campfire down, too!

I've thought this for years.

Yep! +1

federal? its the state employees that are doing it that have me pissed off......MTFWP jumped on the bandwagon really quick......

They try to block of any BLM property of USForest property here I'll have my "keys" with me a pair 30" bolt cutters

Maybe the feds and state can make going onto closed fed/state lands a felony --then take you're firearm rights.

Won't surprise me when it happens.

If you work for a living, love your Momma and family, like to hunt and fish and believe there is a man called Jesus........YOU/ME are the new enemy/enemies of the state.

PHUUCK OFF AND DIE YOU COMMIE SOCIALISTS LIBERAL PUKES, COME AND GET SOME, I GOT PLENTY.

Gunner

If i was the cop who showed up , i would help them take it down.

Should we ever meet will you please do me a favour and remind me not to stand close to you...in point of fact two hundred yards away might be safest for me and mine.

It was good knowing you, take care.

Same here Bea.

Aint no fear here JS, nothing was ever won through cowering, phuuck 'em.

Gunner

In World War Z Brad Pitt goes into a store with a Pharmacy in it looking for a Rescue Inhaler for his kid. The store is being looted. He looks up as a cop comes in the door. They lock eyes and then the cop moves around him and starts looting stuff himself.

Once again, my rallying cry:

Down With The Barakades

Well said, I'm with you.

Good to hear Arctic338, may of us Men will stand together, don't know exactly where that leaves the girly men.

I'll die on my feet behind a weapon before I'll live on my knees in a socialists communists country.

Gunner

I'm glad your on my side Gunner.

[bleep]'em all!

There's a bunch of us Paul, hell, the lowly deer hunters here in Okleehoma make up a 500K Army alone that can be mobilized in a bit by a few good county Sheriffs. LOL

Gunner

Boy isn't that the truth!!



Take care, Willie

Call it a hunch, but I'd wager he's the cowering type.

Sho nuff Willie.

Gunner

Gunner

Wait, are they Barrycades or road Baracks?

Have it your way, but you get more success by doing things quietly in the dark, beating your chest and making yourself a target does nothing worthwhile.

Ah yes...the mouth.

I look forward to seeing your little armed excursion to DC, I am sure it will make the news when you tear down the existing structure and declare yourself Emperor.

No, you are on your own...for when you turn around to speak to all those others you will find they have found something else to do.

You would be better off being the grey man.

Ain't worried about being no gray fish either.

No one on this site knows who there really talking too, I ain't worried about phuuck.

Carry on JS, we got this part.

Gunner

If you really believe that you go right ahead with what you are doing, and as for the last part...no, no you do not.

I couldn't agree MORE....

"Zion park representatives met the group near the gate..."

"We did warn them we are closed, and they seem to understand that," Aly Baltrus, a public information officer for the National Park Service said."

"...she chatted briefly with Matthew Chuvarsky, a park ranger who was supposed to work his first season patrolling trails in Zion this year, but instead spent Saturday standing sentinel at the entrance."

So the question begs, if they HAVE to shut down because they cannot provide staff then....who the heck is ^this^ staff that is on site and, uhh, "staffing" the park? So how are they being paid? Which brings us to this quote.

"Many park officials are working without pay..."

Humm...do I believe this? And if they ARE working without current pay, are they expecting or have they been promised back pay? Either way, if they can "staff" a gate and sign that says "closed", then that is a pretty clear indication this is nothing but a sham and charade to make the "people" hurt to garner political favor.
What a crock of guano.
Shut down the White House and send the staff and cooks home. Shut down the Capitol and Congressional Office buildings, the IRS etc.

Make it real you bunch of leeches.

The answer is to do exactly what these did and the WWII vets did. Defy the &#^%@ government! Cross the barricades and tear them down if necessary. They don't own the parks...in fact they don't own anything!

Call it another hunch, but Gunner's a real man's man, while you're just a man's man.

true, but gunner can take a bullet and still get the job done if need be.....its been tested

had both him and sharpsguy sleeping sitting up on the other end of the sectional at the hog hunt back in March and i was afraid of making a sudden move in my sleep was also a long discussion bout who was gonna wake them up.....gunner sitting there with a gun in his pocket and sharpsguy with that big phuggin knife in his belt, finally decided to throw something at them from across the room

Most folks know the problem isn't handled in the right manner. If you come home and the septic is backed up near the ceiling, do you raise the ceiling or pump out the [bleep]?

I'd be proud to stand with the likes of gunner and arctic338


guess I just don't have the good sense to fear our gov't, thugs or things that go bump in the night.

add me to the list .............Wolverines!!!

Fact is that if decision time comes it will more than likely be between you and God. When the black suburban's come rolling up the driveway, you will have to decide real quick whether you want to die and maybe take a few of them with you or ever see your family again. Dying would be a lot easier surrounded by a lot of like minded men than it would be to die in your front yard with your family present. I think what is happening to or country has to feel a bit like being told I have cancer.

you speak some real truth there.

but one thing is for certain, I know I can't live forever, thus I'm going to die someday.

don't relish the thought of it being in front of my family, but if that's how the cookie crumbles so be it I reckon.

I can't do a dang thing about dieing, but I'm gonna have a little bit of say in how I live, whether that means forfeiting my life or not.

I hope me and God are okay, I've done some things I'm not proud of, but hopefully a lil bit of good too.

These are dangerous times. They are testing the water,and hoping for incidents, they are calculating tyrants and we are normal humans.

Feel welcome to come to my territory and discuss the matter.

Why do you assume that it would only be you...and not your family too?

Call out posts are awesome, especially halfway around the world. You go girl!

Yes, I know you will continue to flap your mouth, and as usual you will have nothing useful to say.

Yet you continue to read and post in a thread I started. Funny how that works.

Bored, but that is about to stop as I have to go knock down a tree in the front yard, it has split down the trunk in four places and I don't want someone to be hit by it.

I shall be back later to read about your breath-taking exploits in DC...or watch it on the news.


How does it go...Viva la revolution!

you never know how people will react to stress or life and death situations until they're put in those situations.

I have no way of knowing, I could see mom talking some sense into the boys and telling them not to defend me, but I can also envision them saying the hell with it and entering the fracas too.

here's all I know, I've lived my life mostly minding my own business, not looking to bother anyone, private citizen of federal employee.

and while I pay my taxes to our modern day Ceasar, I'm mostly a free man. Holding me or my family against our will is likely to turn out bad for someone. Most likely my family.

I don't think I have many illusions about what type gov't we have. By and large they're thugs, they see themselves as all powerful. But if there were ever to be a mass uprising, they'd find out quickly just how wrong they truly are about that.


an armed person is a citizen, whether he dies or not, an unarmed
person is a subject, no matter how benevolent they may view their gov't.

I'll go to my grave (whenever and however that is to be) thanking my founding fathers of this country for making that fact so.

no hero fantasies here, would prefer to live my life out in peace and not do violence to any person or entity.

but thanks largely to our 2nd amendment, that is indeed a two way street.

Small Acts of Civil Disobedience During the "Shutdown"

Like hunting in a National Park?

We need to make stands were we can. We are were we are because they think that we are a bunch of push overs. We've been polite long enough, while the liberal fringe beat their pots and called us names. This is still our country and things are starting to boil.......

Close, but I am older, less hair, and more God-like...and I have a better keyboard.

As to the post...you couldn't even keep the current administration out of power, so you lot sit here bitching about how much you are going to do and how dangerous you are feeling.

Wake up to yourselves...you have to court the other disenfranchised groups, befriend everyone that shoots, whether they be of a minority, coloured, or of a dubious sexual leaning...who gives a [bleep], they are Americans and as such are YOUR ALLIES.

Because if you do not you are f-ed.

I have sharpened the chain, fuelled up, and have everything waiting for a mate to turn up...because I really do not want to be up a tree with a chainsaw without someone ready to call the ambulance.

Finished, and that job sucked.