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What gets me about meth is everyone knows how bad it is !!If they don't one doesn't they must live i a cave some where . WHY ?? would you ever do it once !! dumbass people I guess

Drugs make ya stupid! My brother inlaw was a very smart kid in school but drugs have turned him into one of the dumbest [bleep] I have ever known.

92% relapse rate for meth. http://lancaster.unl.edu/family/metheffects.shtml

90% for heroin. http://addictions.yoexpert.com/addi...-addicts-relapse-within-the-f-37775.html

The two are very similar in their relapse rates, I'd say you have to be pretty damn stupid to try either one.

bout the only way to stop smurfing for ingredients and put a dent in one bottle cooking is to make psuedophedrine based stuff a prescription drug and not a over the counter drug


but big pharmicuetical companies have alot to say about that and have alot of influence with politicians democrat and republican alike






that is where most of the problems lies

the base material is readily available as an otc drug

i think only 2-3 states have enacted legislation to make it a prescription drug and about 20-25 othet states have voted it down in their state legislatures




most of my info on this actually just came from a big article in the nashville paper from yesterday i just read at the airport today

Well, I can't speak for other states...but in Texas, they have made some sort of registry for the buying of it. My mom sent me to the store to buy a pack for allergies or something of the sort, and I was shocked by the hoops I had to jump through to buy the stuff. A very good idea, if you ask me.

Think about it. If the drug problem was solved the prison system would shrink, the law enforcement agencies would need to lay off officers and scrap all their nifty toys, the legal profession would go bankrupt, the political hacks would have nothing to save us from, other themselves, the world wide bankers would lose a large cash flow and investemnt potenial, the medical profession would loose grants, new hospitals.
The drug culture is so intertwined in our culture that to remove it would be like removing the lymph system from the human body.
All we can do is protect ourselves as much as the legal system will allow.

Jim

yeah, Doctor told me to take a particular OTC for my allergies rather then write a 'scption. Was surprised to have to present a photo ID and sign a form. It was kept behind the counter.

Gents better be careful what you let the gov control with a registry and limited access too...

It's not that they're just ph_ _ _ _d up. Some people have addictive personalities and this aspect can be expressed in everything from gambling, to shopping-buying, booze, or drugs, pornography, and sex.

I know a great guy, a teacher, who had a leg injury and hip surgery, and who got hooked on narcotics in the process. He subsequently got them any way he could until caught; the school, a Christian high school, fired him (great modeling of forgiveness and support for the kids). But he's teaching elsewhere, clean and doing very well.

And you're right another friend was burned and prescribed narc's, took a few, became constipated, and decided he preferred the pain to being FOS so took no more. So people do respond differently.

My youngest son's friend not only moves houses, but his mom changes cities every 3 months. His mom is absolutely fanatical about have BOTH kids out of the house, all weekend, every weekend. She has a voice that sounds like a cement truck.

I fear the worst...that these kids will find out they are orphans some Sunday evening when they are dropped off in front of a smoking crater.

Astonishingly resilient kids, though.

The success rate for "cure" of narcotic's addiction after abstinence and all the rehab hoops and counseling is still only in the 15% +\-- range; in other words the recidivism or failure rate is 85% +\--, so while meth is truly terrible, narcotics are not a "weak sister".
Prison is not what theses folks need; many are not criminals in the usual sense of the word.

In thinking through this subject, the two substances that are legal and socially acceptable that kill more people every year, I would guess, than the rest put together are tobacco and alcohol. In my work and particularly with the previous generation because they have obviously used the longest if they haven't quit, I see more disability and pulmonary cripples due to to tobacco than any other substance. And I wonder how many people die of alcohol poisoning, are killed in drunk driving scenarios, die of alcohol related hepatitis or cancer.

Both of these cost our society millions or more dollars a year. Never hear of a call for more alcohol control. This is where the schizophrenia of our society regarding drugs makes no sense to me.

That crap is a major part of life for a lot of people around here...police non existent... no jobs...plenty of welfare rats...

just a trip down to Walmart will quickly tell ya that...

wife works at the local hospital... what use to bankrupt the hospital was all the Mexicans coming to the ER with no insurance for things as simple as their kids having a cold...

that has been overtaken by 20 somethings. coming to the ER, or being brought to the ER, all strung out on drugs.. and of course no insurance...

a doctor friend brought a piece of property ( 40 acres) and when the home was being built, the contractor demolished a barn that had been used for cooking meth... the previous occupants ( who were just renting the old house on the property) were cooking meth, and then dumping the waste down an old out house hole...

so the contractor, ( in a smart move ) had one of his crew throw a road flair down the hole to burn out waste.. which prompty ignited the old out house and then he had to have a man there 24 hours a day for 8 days, with a water house.. as it burned for that long... and he was afraid to notify the local police or fire dept for fear of getting a large fine for that bright idea..

sadly production of meth and dope is a major contributor to the local economy in this county...

You have to hit rock bottom to be using needles to inject yourself. I have known several heroin addicts and it is some nasty crap! Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken! I personally know people who "sharpened", "used" needles on concrete to shoot up! Know of people who shot up between their toes, behind the knee. Heroin is some nasty crap and my experience watching heroin addicts is enough for me! Heroin is very addictive just not the drug of choice when a person can buy meth relatively inexpensive and have so many ways to shoot it, inject, smoke it,.....ect!

My statement was referring to Meth is an epidemic in some parts of the state. Saw alot of it in Nebraska, Iowa, Georgia ect where people can "cook" it out in the "country" and not get caught as easily. Heck people were stealing anhydrous from farmers to cook meth. All drugs are nasty whether a person can function or not!

Watching people addicted to prescribed "pain" medications and form addictions is bad as well.

The problem with all the murders in this country is the easy access to guns. We need to have a registry so we know who has them. Probably should ban semi-autos and just go with single shots while we're at it.

At least someone gets it...

I say to hell with them.. they made the choice.. it isn't society's job to save them from their own stupidity...

each time they croak it is one less person the world has to take care of...

I've seen 17 and 18 year olds hooked on Heroin around here...

a family friend has helped kids needing foster homes away from screwed up parents for years now...not long ago, a couple of them had been on heroin and then returned to using it.. with all the glory that goes with it...

one of the little SOBs I had helped out before he went back on it, returned the favor by breaking into one of my vehicles... stole a few worthless items from inside it and then cut the fuel line to get the fuel out of it, when he couldn't siphen gas out of it... as the fuel was that low at the time...

he took off to Wisconsin to live with family back there... and it took him less than 2 weeks to find himself in jail back there for a 3 or 4 year sentence....

he'll be dead before he is 30...

JC,

I think a lot here "get it," but like society in general can easily get caught up in the divide between being well intended and the outcome of asking .gov to create, enact, and operationalize policy. There are of course a few exceptions.

I personally don't think the comment was ill-intended.

Best,

Bob

Thanks Bob