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Shot the initial S/S Fixed [bleep],knowed the next generation went to schit and never gave 'em a thunk after that,until they were mentioned elsewhere...not long ago. Figured "[bleep] it" and give 'em a shot,to see WTF,so got a small herd to kick around upon various platforms,if only in fairness.

Have I yanked Leupolds to make way for 'em? Yep. Am I having a Leupold BLOWOUT Inventory Reduction Sale? Nope. Would I trade some 6x42's for 6X MilQuad's? Yep. I've a hunch,that I prolly gots a couple/few scopes.(grin)

I have never been in love with variables and likely never will. That being said,not all variables are equal and I certainly hold some in much higher esteem than others. I've seen an Alder,but am not much into cases,so am more than a BUNCH comfy with exposed turrets.(grin) The SS variables ain't for me...mainly because they are variables.

It's prolly been a coupla decades,since I've shot on a "real" Range. I like Real World findings/results and that means clangin' & bangin'/runnin' & gunnin' MPAJ as situations dictate. Been flogging on the herd daily.

Hint.

I am waiting for the video with you beating the SS 6X scope against a rock, then shooting it.

Thanks for the reply.

Big Boxer, maybe you've mentioned it and I missed but I assume the big six SS is too much for your taste on the Montana?

Aboard a 7 Whizzum Montucky and assuming a 250yd zero with case forming loads(intial poke of 300Whizzum's necked and headspacing a false shoulder at 2980fps),the MilQuad reticle grants 1300yds+ of possibility,as ele goes...less touching a turret.

Playing around in the front yard yesterday,for some pards that had some reticle questions. Picked out an arbitrary Critter,most could fathom in it's relative sizing,as a knowed subtension designator quantity. This as a holdoff extrapolation,in less than pristine conditions.(grin)

10x MilQuad here,aboard THE Sleeper and slumming worst case scenario ammo(schit BC and compromised velocity),as opposed to say Warp Nine Skinners. Anywhoo...the LRF read 947yds,with the wind at full value left to right. That is a 3.5 Mil correction in 10mph.



MPAJ Belly Benchrest via Harris swivel and an overview of conditions along The Milford,at that moment.



Gawking through wind/waves/water and the ease in which the requisite holdoff is granted,while holding rifle butt in one hand an camera in the other. I be talented.(grin)



Now for conversation,The Hurt Locker would require less than half that windage holdoff with the 162. Just sayin',that boolits prolly matter.(grin)

The no bullschit and Zero Fluff reticle,is a veddy veddy good thang,affording much in the way of opportunity and is a breeze to hold hard with. It's bane,is due it being fine,that one can lose it in low light...which is a tradeoff that rates a thunk. In a perfect World,I'd be able to get the glass without windage turret,as I'm a notorious slider of wind upon the reticle and so very seldom dope it via erector(only to check tracking).

As per always,the 30mm hurdle is mounting things low in relation to the bore,as most systems are beyond proud in their height. Rail/rings are notoriously a Goat [bleep] there,which is a shame.

It's all I can do,to keep from poking one aboard C-Note(came close 3 times yesterday)...but I'm in Fire Form Mode with it too and the 6x42/M1 is doing nice things there,like they do. However,once the formed 75A-Max start flyin',I'm gonna really be wishing I had that reticle at my disposal. I'd love to see a 6x42 Leupold wearing that reticle,with 1/10 mil adjustment on an M1 ele and no windage turret,with say a 1/10mil illuminated center. THAT would be the schit.

C-Note.



The MilQuad reticle would get it to 1075yds and 5 Mils of full value 10MPH wind occurs at 1400yds+.

I wouldn't wanna be a thang.(grin)

Never thought a die hard Leupy Groupy would have seen the light.......or looked for it......

It's the reticle for me. Mildots suck ass...so the interim(schit) versions never began to rate a thunk,but this reticle transition do. Nice that they've improved both the parcel and it's reticle. Win/win.

Couldn't stand it.



Operation Fire form is over and Operation Watch THE [bleep] Out is about to unleash,via fullhouse 75A-Max.

Gonna get ugly.(grin)

Chris had lots of help for improving the SS (two of them used to post here) and the reticle design. Mechanical integrity was job 1.

Want to trade for a Savage in 25-06?

.160 APA rings
.290 Seekins base (front)
.450 total height (front)

.400 Talley height (front)

.050 difference. Not bad. Main problem is that the APA rings and Seekins base will cost more than the scope.

TPS Aluminum in super-low...

'Finn,

He NEEDED lotsa help...because they was 100% schit for a good while.(grin) Glad it's sorted.










SLM,

I've killed more schit with a Salvage,than any Salvage Lover I know.(grin)










'smith,

Tough to beat Warne Maxima's for Lowtitude.




Especially in conjunction with a 2pc base,instead of a rail.



Jered and Glenn is both good people.










'223,

I've TPS too and Warne's is lower.

Yeah, but steel is only sweet if you like rust bluing, of course... it is usually dry where you are. You're in Texas, right? LOL

I believe the Warne's are .250, TPS is .230, versus .160 for the APA's.

TPS are .228" for the 30mm super-low. Not sure how that compares to the others.

Can you provide a link to these rings? I looked at the APA site but couldn't find them.

CR

Good old Leupold Dual Dovetails 30mm lows are one of the shortest of the bunch at .060".

See post #26 in this thread, which is followed by a post by Jered so I assumed it was accurate, but haven't verified.

.750 to center line, less .590 (15mm) = .160

http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hide-rifle-scopes/135125-apa-rings-review-w-range-report.html

Thanks, I looked at the APA site but don't see any options for height when ordering. I did see in the link you posted that Jared will make a custom height if needed. Their design does lend itself to being made lower than standard cross bolt designs.

CR

I was using my 16X SS with 30mm low Burris Signature DD's with the eccentric inserts, and a 40/thou shim under the rear that I fabricated from sheet metal.

This setup yielded over 100 moa of useable 'up' from a 100 yd zero. And it put the scope about as low as possible, which didn't hurt with the HTG stock.