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Yep, those are great comparison pics alright! As it happens, I've just had an opportunity to look through a milquad. It disappeared against shadowy/dusky and mixed basalt and palo verde, but then so does most everything that's not illuminated, so no surprise. No doubt it's still better than the emdr would be without illumination in other situations. Everyone found the exchange humorous. ...and declared the reticles similar, based on the images I had from SWFA & Weaver (sorry, didn't have your photos then). But then, they're mostly not shooters.
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I have not seen a SS in person, but from the pics that reticle looks too thin for a fixed version. Seems like you would need a first focal plane in darker backgrounds.
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As a hardcore Utility Rifle's reticle,the MilQuad is gonna leave a bunch to be desired for killing. It's not worth a [bleep] in heavy cover or low light. If you can skirt them concessions,you'll be fine...but it'd be amongst the last reticles I'd want in a typical Booner Bear scenario. Hint.
Now as Niche Play Toy's go,it will serve a useful role in the Fun Department.
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That is where the 3-9 comes in. Drop it to 3 or 4x and the heavy posts make a good lowlight reticle. On 9x, not so much.
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As a hardcore Utility Rifle's reticle,the MilQuad is gonna leave a bunch to be desired for killing. It's not worth a [bleep] in heavy cover or low light. If you can skirt them concessions,you'll be fine...but it'd be amongst the last reticles I'd want in a typical Booner Bear scenario. Hint.
Now as Niche Play Toy's go,it will serve a useful role in the Fun Department. I got everything in this week, and put it all together and spent some time this morning slinging lead down range. I agree with Boxer. It's definitely not a reticle I'd personally choose for hunting. However, for punching paper and objects at distance with a lowly .22lr, it's a hoot!
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I've got one coming with a mil-dot reticle that is going to ride on my main "hardcore utility rifle". We'll see how much I like it for that purpose...
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I think Fost' was wrong about being able to pound tent stakes with this beast.
I think you could drive railroad spikes with it.
Dam they are big and stout.
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Fost', how was the bolt clearance with the lows?
Looking at mine it looks extremely close?
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Mine arrived today and I'm impressed with the glass quality. I like the reticle too..
It should be great for my Creedmoor.
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
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Fost', how was the bolt clearance with the lows?
Looking at mine it looks extremely close? It is close on mine, but doable without issue.
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That is where the 3-9 comes in. Drop it to 3 or 4x and the heavy posts make a good lowlight reticle. On 9x, not so much. Fixed has always been far warmer and far fuzzier. A Duplex cain't be beat for Killing.
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So Stick, you're saying that the Mil-Quad is great for target messing around, but you'll go fixed Duplex for the killing fields?
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The MilQuad is a simplistic/sound premise,that will easily excel at Fun...but you WILL get bit in tough light and heavy cover,if it is your only pitch.
POA/POI intersections are very easily arranged with the boring/"lowly" Duplex and that well proven fact,is beyond more than just comforting. I've copious disdain for Heavy Duplex,mainly because I suffer a few...but Vanilla Duplex cain't be whipped.
Oh I'll certainly schlep MilQuads from hell to breakfast,but the Duplex is in no danger of having it's thunder swiped for Killing. I can see me with a dozen or more 'Quads in the larder,after the dust settles,as steering mechanisms for various Play Toys...and especially rimfires.
Trying to treat 'em fair now and flog on 'em with various platforms,that ain't too nichely in nature.
Pun prolly be intended.(grin)
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Those dots/dashes look awfully small in that pic can you see them against a target?
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Built a "RC2" plate for my Manfrotto ballhead,that I leave here at work...which are affixed to Manfrotto legs. Thought I'd left a plate in the 'head,but didn't so had to improvise and adapt. Built a rail which affixes said plate and mates Badger Max50's,which secure a 6x MilQuad Fixed [bleep].
Anywhoo,I had it on a fair MuskOx this afternoon at 5300yds and small change today and had several sets of eyes subtending same.
Took pics with multiple systems,including newest Iphone and a Canon 1D MK4 wearing a 24L II. Will try to find a card reader and load some pics,if only for conversation.
For some reason...the glass is selling well.(grin)
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Looking forward to it!
The pic Form posted above I don't think I could see the hashes well enough to use. I'm prolly in need of reading glasses for up close but can see a clearly a looong way off.
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Looking forward to it!
The pic Form posted above I don't think I could see the hashes well enough to use. I'm prolly in need of reading glasses for up close but can see a clearly a looong way off.
Mike That was from a 3-9x42mm set on 3x. No, the mil marks are not usable at 3x. About 5-6x is where they become really functional.
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Thanks Form I may have to get tacticool and come to some of your training classes.
I've never used any reticles besides plain/target and Duplex.
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P.S. I mean no disrespect by using the word tacticool
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Looking forward to it!
The pic Form posted above I don't think I could see the hashes well enough to use. I'm prolly in need of reading glasses for up close but can see a clearly a looong way off.
Mike That was from a 3-9x42mm set on 3x. No, the mil marks are not usable at 3x. About 5-6x is where they become really functional. Do you have any pics showing them at higher or max power? Please don't feel the need to go to any trouble if you don't have them. I'm sorta considering one for a go anywhere/hunt anything rifle and the only thing keeping me from it is the reticle in low light.
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