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"Put the kid up for adoption. Problem solved"

The 14 YO CHILD might not like your proposed "solution".

Nor am I.

But I don't want them doing it with tax dollars since so many tax payers are against it on moral or religious grounds.

I remember that i liked intimacy...i remember i didnt like condoms.
Beings how that played out, i feel that i would have had no right to have any say in what transpired, be it a single or married man..

Curdog, a ration discussion of the subject usually begins with discussing the distinction between "life" and "potential life".

According to polls, most Americans are "prochoice", but most Americans also oppose late term abortions. This seems to indicate the average American has a more nuanced view then the zealots on either side.

In addition, adoption may not be as easy a solution as many zealots believe. Since 1973, it's estimated there were 56 million abortions. In order to accommodate all those children through means of adoption, half of all American household would of had to adopt one additional child.

Do you really believe half of prolife absolutist are willing to adopt, and how many of there are willing to adopt the child from a black mother?

"Curdog, a ration discussion of the subject usually begins with discussing the distinction between "life" and "potential life"."

OK.............. you go first.

[actually, it's been touched on the thread]

Read my firs post. My family faced that. The result is wonderful.


Now as to when life begins, my personal beliefs are at conception. If life begins at birth then why can someone be charged with two counts of murder for killing a woman an her unborn child?

Ironbender won.
Surprise? No.

Everyone that is FOR abortion has already been born.
Count me as being pro-choice..... I choose life.

"Now as to when life begins, my personal beliefs are at conception. If life begins at birth then why can someone be charged with two counts of murder for killing a woman an her unborn child?"

You didn't arrive at your personal belief because of what the law is, did you?

Im not sure I understand conception or the morning after pill totally... but what I THINK it is, the conception has occured, but it cannot allow the fertilized egg to stick to the wall or some such, so since it can't get a "home" it dies.

I'm one on this topic that basically has his own feelings about parts of it. And to discuss something that is an individual issue gets sticky if you will.

I feel its up to the individual and its no one elses business.

After all that individual/s has to bear the brunt of this issue for a LONG time, IF they are RESPONSIBLE.

Well, not to me.

Sometimes, one has to wonder if some folks really can distinquish the difference between a woman choosing to "create" a child (the act of copulation) and choosing to kill one (the act of abortion).

You know me better that that.

I just fine it funny when someone can be charged with murder for killing the unborn but the mother can get an abortion and it's OK. You cannot murder someone who is not alive so how can you charge someone with murder for killing the unborn then turn around and say life begins at birth. Only a liberal can be that stupid!

But think about this. If a mother can kill a child why should that right stop at birth? Say the kid is ugly or grows up to be someone mom doesn't like. What if the kid won't take out the trash or clean their room? Shouldn't she be aloud to kill them when they are twenty? What is the ungrateful little brat puts mom in a nursing home and doesn't visit every week? Shouldn't she be able to have doctors take the brat out at age fifty? If she kin kill the unborn why not the adult child? Bet that would change a lot of lives.

Which individual, mother or infant. Bet the unborn might vote a different ticket than the mom.

In that debate was requested and the hypothetical has been raised, in the alternative to "rape", let us consider the situation where a male willing to copulate has been deceived regarding the safety of the moment and then unwillingly impregnates the deceptive woman. Does he then have the same right to terminate the pregnancy through abortion?

My OP said that IF life begins at conception, then an abortion,BY DEFINITION is homicide. That's just a fact.

Then, the question becomes WHO is authorized to commit the homicide. The white hispanic was authorized by Florida's self defense statutes to commit homicide with little trayvon, for example.

That same self defense argument might be stretched to authorize a homicide when a mother's life is threatened by her pregnancy.

There really is nothing analogous to a woman impregnated during a rape, so that must be settled on common sense grounds.

Beyond THAT, making a case for authority becomes more problematic.

THAT'S why the abortion on demand folks must insist that life commences outside the womb.

And that is a very weak argument.

No...............There is no question that she is the mother.

A young lady called her folks halfway thru her first semester at Texas A&M :

I have good news and bad news.

Give us the bad news.

I'm pregnant.

What's the good news?

It ain't mine.

Yes it is. It is a mindset I cannot fathom.

78 replies and no name calling. It this the real Campfire?