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Jeez...I'm a pretty new FFL also, but it ain't that tough. Log it in, wrap it up, log it out, drop it off at UPS, FedEx or USPS (or if you're a shop, they'll even come pick it up). Collect $20 plus shipping. Not rocket surgery.
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Never had s problem at a UPS hub. Easy to do business with; the most recent time, the gal acted as bored as if I wanted to ship a cake.
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I don't ever ship firearms thru the USPS, I ship "machine parts"... I was once told to do this (i.e.,. "ship "machine parts") and wonder what would happen if they were lost and I had to describe them for a claim?
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I would be ranting more about the postal service. As long as the receiving FFL does not require it from a FFL just mail it. Go online print a shipping label. If your that worried about the biotch go to a different post office. You do not have to declare it as a gun. All you have to attest is that it is not dangerous perishable flammable etc. Yes dealers can make it a pain in the ass but the post office is the real problem in this case. I am lucky my dealer will ship for twenty bucks. I walk in he confirms all my info writes it down drops a copy of his FFL in the box and I ship it. Ten minutes at most. It only takes that long if he is watching something close on the grill. He runs his business out of the office of his diner. is this info correct? ked
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Same here when I ship a rifle... It's atv parts...
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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I would be ranting more about the postal service. As long as the receiving FFL does not require it from a FFL just mail it. Go online print a shipping label. If your that worried about the biotch go to a different post office. You do not have to declare it as a gun. All you have to attest is that it is not dangerous perishable flammable etc. Yes dealers can make it a pain in the ass but the post office is the real problem in this case. I am lucky my dealer will ship for twenty bucks. I walk in he confirms all my info writes it down drops a copy of his FFL in the box and I ship it. Ten minutes at most. It only takes that long if he is watching something close on the grill. He runs his business out of the office of his diner. is this info correct? ked Yep all legal. I can dig up the postal regs if need be. But there are no restrictions on shipping longguns through the postal service and no restrictions on what you can print a shipping label for. With the printing a label at home they don't ask you what the package is even when you buy insurance. Just the perishable and hazardous question. As for shipping it myself I am acting as an agent of the FFL I believe is the wording in the regulations. I have a great relationship with my dealer so with someone new I might not be able to have the same arrangement. Works great though. Since I am the one selling the gun and I am responsible for it I feel better packing and shipping myself.
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Reading all the shipping hassles folks have I'm glad my future mother in law and father in law both work at local USPS branches. Hell I don't even get the perishable, liquid, flammable question. I hand them the box and all they ask is if it has an ffl copy in the box.
Same goes for their coworkers, if it isn't a letter or ultra small box they all assume its a gun and could care less.
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You don't need an ffl to ship a firearm, you need one to receive a firearm.
Im lucky there is about 4-5 post offices within 10 miles of my house.some are idiots,others are great. What he said. . . . .why wouldn't you just box the schiz up and drop it off at a UPS store? FFL's here will only accept from another FFL. Not the way it is written but you would be hard pressed to find an FFL here who will do it. I have to have the person I buy from ship from an FFL when I buy a gun here. Not right, but what I have to do if I buy a gun off gunbroker or here. With all due respect, this is incorrect. A campfire member here recently shipped a gun to me through my FFL holder. I contacted my FFL before shipping and asked him the correct process to receive a fire arm from a private owner. All he needed was a Driver's License photocopy in the box, the box addressed to the FFL, with attn. Gophergunner on it, and that was it. I picked the gun up, paid the $20.00 transfer fee, and walked out with the gun. The whole process took 10 minutes at pickup, and that's only because he had to do the background call.
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You don't need an ffl to ship a firearm, you need one to receive a firearm.
Im lucky there is about 4-5 post offices within 10 miles of my house.some are idiots,others are great. What he said. . . . .why wouldn't you just box the schiz up and drop it off at a UPS store? FFL's here will only accept from another FFL. Not the way it is written but you would be hard pressed to find an FFL here who will do it. I have to have the person I buy from ship from an FFL when I buy a gun here. Not right, but what I have to do if I buy a gun off gunbroker or here. With all due respect, this is incorrect. A campfire member here recently shipped a gun to me through my FFL holder. I contacted my FFL before shipping and asked him the correct process to receive a fire arm from a private owner. All he needed was a Driver's License photocopy in the box, the box addressed to the FFL, with attn. Gophergunner on it, and that was it. I picked the gun up, paid the $20.00 transfer fee, and walked out with the gun. The whole process took 10 minutes at pickup, and that's only because he had to do the background call. I just reread Jdunham's post, and realized he said FFL's here will only do FFL to FFl. My bad-maybe that's the rule in New York. I was just going off my local experiences here in Minnesota.
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Go to a different post office. Must be one 10-15 minutes away
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Two quick points:
A drivers license photo copy is not required by any law and is absolutely useless as ID in another state because there is no way to verify it is the individual shipping the gun...
The PO here has never asked if there is a copy of the FFL inside the box as there is absolutely no requirement anywhere for that. Few know the rules well enough to get beyond zero, let alone making up new ones. FFLS are told to NOT supply copies of their FFL to non-FFLs. And today copies are mostly exchanged by email or Fax. If my FFL is on file with another company I do not need to send another copy, for example.
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I ask for the driver license (with correct address) so I can verify who I received the firearm from in my A&D Book. As far as the rules, here's the link to the "horse's mouth" http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms...licensed-persons#gca-unlicensed-transfer
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If you do the UPS online you can just pay the pickup fee and they will stop at your house and pick it up , no hassle , cost a little but saves trip to town
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After years of shipping my guns to an FFL from a UPS pick-up point, a local HyVee store (it always went smoothly), one day a UPS driver refused to pick up a long box (a rifle). Since then, and after talking to a re known gunsmith, I ship anything and everything via Fed Ex. So far, no problems; no resistance. They will even box and wrap.
If "they", ignorant, PC-marinated agents, make legal shipping of firearms problematic, then I will not send or ship anything with them. When legal shipping becomes an issue due to the ignorance of an agent or employee, it's goodbye and "get a new plan Sam".
However, I will concede that though this may be the path of least resistance, it may be unwise in the long run. If a guy has patience and can run the gauntlet of of ignorance and regulations to so prove the confrontational individual wrong in the context of institutional regulations, it may be the best route to take for the next guy and for all of us.
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With all due respect, this is incorrect. A campfire member here recently shipped a gun to me through my FFL holder. I contacted my FFL before shipping and asked him the correct process to receive a fire arm from a private owner. All he needed was a Driver's License photocopy in the box, the box addressed to the FFL, with attn. Gophergunner on it, and that was it. I picked the gun up, paid the $20.00 transfer fee, and walked out with the gun. The whole process took 10 minutes at pickup, and that's only because he had to do the background call. This. I go to church with a gentleman who holds a FFL and use him for all of my transfers. I've had long guns sent to him from FFL holders and people without FFLs. He just wants to know where it comes from so he can log it and when it will arrive so he can sign for it if sent via FedEx or UPS. If sent to him via USPS, no signature is required and they leave it on his front porch even if he's not home. He only charges $20, and sometimes does it gratis if he feels like it.
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There are some close-minded-liberal-pos-stupid-azzhole-fkr's that work for USPS and I am not surprised they are close to bankrupt. I have shipped 8-10 rifles at one PO in my area, a few weeks ago I stopped by and the most liberal biotch in the place called me up. Is it hazardous, perishable...blah blah blah. No, it's not. Is it a gun? It's not hazardous, perishable, fragile or liquid. Is it a gun? Yes, it's a fk'n gun and it's legal to ship it. Where is your paperwork? What paperwork? The paperwork to ship a gun. I don't need any fk'n paperwork to ship a long gun, the rules are posted online. Well, I have to get the postmaster. Postmaster, is it a gun? Yes it's a fk'n gun. Where is your paperwork? I don't need any paperwork and you can't find anything in your own manual that states I need paperwork. I have shipped a dozen long guns through this PO in the last two years. Not while I was here, and I run this PO. Well, you need to read your own rules. How about I call the postal inspectors and we will confiscate it? How about you piss off prick? I drove 15 miles away to the small town post office and she was a sweet as can be, in and out in 15 minutes. Same sheeit with the small town PO around the corner from my house. Biotch noticed me packing up a 10-22 stock. Is that a guuuuuNNN? No. Well it looks like a guuuuNNN. No! It's not a fk'n gun it's a piece of fk'n wood, you stupid lazy ass liberal beotch!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate the PO and now I feel better  Edit: I photograph the entire process of packing my sheeit, bolt, serial number, every wrap of bubble wrap, the box, mark the inside of the box, taping the box, mark the box in the PO, photo in the PO....if they fk with my package I have damn good proof and if it's lost or stolen I have photographic proof that will be hard to deny. Edit 2: I don't have an issue with the rules, but by God, know your rules, follow your rules and don't try to change them on me. If you don't like guns, go stand on the train tracks and kill yourself. Edit 3: I am to the point, if I am asked if it's hazardous, perishable, liquid or fragile and I answer no. And they ask me another question. I am going to respond: if you are profiling me because you think I am shipping a gun, you damn sure better ask the Asian guy in line if he is shipping bear gall bladders, if the woman is shipping perfume, and if that gay ass dude is shipping child porn! If not, STFU!
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Never had s problem at a UPS hub. Easy to do business with; the most recent time, the gal acted as bored as if I wanted to ship a cake. I am lucky there is a UPS hub a mile or so down the road and they are great! I held up the line for half an hour at the local USPS a few years back, lady insisted I could not ship a gun. Made her get her supervisor, they looked it up and were sad to see I was right  USPS is cheaper but not worth the hassle so UPS gets my business.
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I wound up using a little package shipping store I didn't even know existed before. Pulled up, got the box out and when I walked through the door, the lady looked up and said "gotta use FedEx Ground". I looked at her and said 'excuse me'... She took off her glasses, looked me dead in the eye and said "that box is a rifle and only way I can ship it is FedEx ground." I asked her if that was a problem and she said only if I didn't have any money! In and out in 10 minutes - like it should be.
Only problem is that the day after I shipped it, my daughter proceeds to tell me she wants to hunt this year. I sold and shipped an A-Bolt 7mm-08 that I am now being told I should have kept! Damn kids...
Stopped in yet another new store and noticed a Ruger 77 tang safety 7-08 and asked if I could check it out. Dill weed behind the counter responded with "you buying?" I looked at him, said not from you and out the door I went. So the search continues... About to go back to the days of driving halfway across the state to meet people just to buy a damn rifle. That's what brought on going partners in a store...
So... Anyone know where a feller can get a deal on Tikka T3, Browning Stalker or something similar in 7-08 in the state of Missouri that isn't owned by an asshat?
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UPS stores can't accept firearms. Must take it to a UPS hub. UPS stores around here do it without question, but I have to drive 60 miles before I can find an FFL to accept a firearm.
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