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Originally Posted by extremesolo
This year I shot a deer with a 120 NBT over 45 grains of varget from a browning a-bolt. Shot was under 20 yards and slightly quartering towards me. The deer spun and ran back downhill. The ground was covered in a small skiff of snow so I was able to follow the deer's footprints until I found it 80 yards later. There was not a single drop of blood on the ground from the pile of hair at the impact location to where I found it. It was the first deer I shot with this load and I was concerned about the bullet coming apart but had the opposite effect. Definitely penciled through. Not much meat damage when I skinned it either. They are superbly accurate and I have many more loaded. Hopefully it was just a fluke. Only time will tell.


That is a bit disturbing! With that load at 20Yds your impact velocity would have probably been around 3,000 FPS. So now we have seen some first hand examples of ball park 3,000 FPS up close impact velocities generating a classic pass through, a pincle through, & some fairly extreme expansion.

The question I now have is: Is this just the result of "Hunting", ie. it could happen with any bullet, or does it show some kind of inconsistency in the toughness of this 120 NBT bullet?

NOTE: we are still talking about a very small sample of experiences.


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120's at 3275.

About a 150 yard shot quartering away, 50 yard death run:

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Same load, 75 yards. I don't seem to get the number of DRT's that everyone else does, but this one never even twitched. The little red drop behind the shoulder is the exit:

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3275 in 7/08, or AI? What powder Al? Smoking.

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aalf,

The results on your doe mirror exactly what I was seeing with the 120 BT. For that shot placement, it lacks expansion. The 50 yard death run was fairly consistent too.

The 140's are much better in that application IMO.


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I don't think the 120gr. BT is any more specialer than any other C&C bullet.

Sometimes they exit, sometimes they don't. Schit might run, might drop at the shot.

It's just a bullet. I mostly like them because the 120's don't recoil so I can go through them on gophers and prairie dogs without hurting my vagina.


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The question I now have is: Is this just the result of "Hunting", ie. it could happen with any bullet, or does it show some kind of inconsistency in the toughness of this 120 NBT bullet?


Not inconsistency in bullet construction, rather inconsistency in shot placement and size of the deer. The bullet is just too hard to expand on it's way through the chest of a smallish sized deer. Those little rib bones and soft tissues inside a deer the size of aalf's doe are not enough to make that bullet open up.

However, shoot one through heavier bone or solid muscle and the results will be different. That's why you hear different hunters getting different results with the same bullets.

You must take it all in then decide if your style of hunting and shooting more closely matches group A or group B. Anecdotal tales of shots on unrecoverable deer don't tell the same story as autopsy photos like those of that doe above.



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Never used them but those jackets look pretty thick up near the tips....can understand why they behave tough.

Looking at wound channels on Aalf's deer they bear a resemblance to Partition wound channels and there has been little wrong with those in the killing department,far as I am concerned. Seems they will not blast an entire quarter to kingdom come but if bone is hit all bets are off. But that can happen with anything.

I can see why the 7/08 shooters like them.




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Funny now people are saying a BT's to tough instead of a fragile bomb


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Told you guys I whacked a truckload of 'em with the 7-08/120 BT.....I meant a literal truckload... smile

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Yeah but do they work good???? whistle grin

Geezus JG, got a little culling going on down there? smile




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How do the jacket differences on the 120s and 140s compare with the 150s?

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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Told you guys I whacked a truckload of 'em with the 7-08/120 BT.....I meant a literal truckload... smile

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I would HATE to have to do all that skinning.


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Luckily for me, the landowner's ground is MLD certified, hence the culling procedure! He's got hired hands that did the skinning, etc, and all the meat was donated to Hunters for the Hungry here in TX. It was a win/win all the way around, especially for me.


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I am not a "pet load" kind of guy, but I will be damned if a 120 grain BT over 44 grains of RL-15 hasn't worked for me in 3 different factory 7mm-08's, all 700's. All seated at mag length.

Drilled the shoulders of a doe a couple years ago at 10 paces with that load, it dropped in its tracks, bullet is still traveling for all I know. Surprisingly tough bullet.

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45 varget gets 3000 and 3050 fps in my 2 7mm-08s, deer and hogs die fast,,,,


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Luckily for me, the landowner's ground is MLD certified, hence the culling procedure! He's got hired hands that did the skinning, etc, and all the meat was donated to Hunters for the Hungry here in TX. It was a win/win all the way around, especially for me.


Can't beat a deal like that.


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