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yes, like that. worked pretty well, hasn't it?  actually, the internment decision was just an executive order, executed by the military commander for the west coast, so it got no debate in Congress, IIRC
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The real problem has to do with illegal immigrants.  Casey
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Careful consideration and debate:
"I don't want any of them [persons of Japanese ancestry] here. They are a dangerous element. There is no way to determine their loyalty... It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen, he is still a Japanese. American citizenship does not necessarily determine loyalty... But we must worry about the Japanese all the time until he is wiped off the map." - Testimony of Gen. John L. DeWitt, April 13, 1943, House Naval Affairs Subcommittee to Investigate Congested Areas, Part 3, pp. 739-40 (78th Cong ., 1st Sess.)
"We're charged with wanting to get rid of the Japs for selfish reasons. We do. It's a question of whether the white man lives on the Pacific Coast or the brown men. They came into this valley to work, and they stayed to take over... If all the Japs were removed tomorrow, we had never miss them in two weeks, because the white farmers can take over and produce everything the Jap grows. And we do not want them back when the war ends, either." Austin E. Anson, managing secretary of the Salinas Vegetable Grower-Shipper Association, Saturday Evening Post, 1942
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actually, the internment decision was just an executive order, executed by the military commander for the west coast, so it got no debate in Congress, IIRC
it was carefully considered and debated. So who the hell debated it, carefully or otherwise?
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Dude I have come to the conclusion you just like to post BS and hear yourself talk. Pure unadulterated nonsense is what you are all about............
Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
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Based on the prevailing attitude concerning the internment of US citizens in the 1940s who had also done nothing, the average response to such a scenario from the members would be any or all of the following:
1) say it was necessary
2) say it was for your own good
3) say it was done for your safety
4) blanket support without further comment
5) claim you really had done something wrong, and since what you allegedly had done wrong never gets mentioned it is obviously so wrong that it must be classified to save us all
6) claim it was somehow better than those other countries where that kind of crap happens
how about it seemed like a necessary step at the time, given the fact we'd just been attacked in Hawaii and feared an imminent Japanese invasion. you can't possibly put yourself in the place the people were who had to make the decision, and of course you have no responsibility for the consequences of a wrong decision. cost benefit....worst case with internment, you're extremely unfair to some US citizens, and damage their lives and livelihoods. worst case without internment...widespread sabotage, espionage and a fifth column ready to assist Japanese invaders, mark approaches for bombers, report on troop and ship movements, etc. if you're the guy making the call......based on what they believed at the time, it was a pretty close call at best. And I imagine the fact that the Japanese were at the same time butchering American and Filipino civilians didn't help tilt the scales in favor of the Japanese. The last time I checked the responsible party for Pearl Harbor was one Hirohito. Since someone had to get kicked in the nuts over it to show everyone we meant business, which US citizens (or, specifically, citizen) was the closest equivalent to Hirohito? Really? Thanks for the history lesson. It's WWII, the beeg one. No holds barred, fight to the death and all the things that go with it. I'm thankful you weren't involved in the decision or I might be speaking a language other than Engrish.
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Dude I have come to the conclusion you just like to post BS and hear yourself talk. Pure unadulterated nonsense is what you are all about............ So what is it you are pissed off about this time? That Hirohito was the responsible party and if a US equivalent of the one ultimately responsible needed to be interned it was our illustrious leader? Or was it the train of thought of those who thought locking up a bunch of US citizens was a swell idea?
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Based on the prevailing attitude concerning the internment of US citizens in the 1940s who had also done nothing, the average response to such a scenario from the members would be any or all of the following:
1) say it was necessary
2) say it was for your own good
3) say it was done for your safety
4) blanket support without further comment
5) claim you really had done something wrong, and since what you allegedly had done wrong never gets mentioned it is obviously so wrong that it must be classified to save us all
6) claim it was somehow better than those other countries where that kind of crap happens
how about it seemed like a necessary step at the time, given the fact we'd just been attacked in Hawaii and feared an imminent Japanese invasion. you can't possibly put yourself in the place the people were who had to make the decision, and of course you have no responsibility for the consequences of a wrong decision. cost benefit....worst case with internment, you're extremely unfair to some US citizens, and damage their lives and livelihoods. worst case without internment...widespread sabotage, espionage and a fifth column ready to assist Japanese invaders, mark approaches for bombers, report on troop and ship movements, etc. if you're the guy making the call......based on what they believed at the time, it was a pretty close call at best. And I imagine the fact that the Japanese were at the same time butchering American and Filipino civilians didn't help tilt the scales in favor of the Japanese. The last time I checked the responsible party for Pearl Harbor was one Hirohito. Since someone had to get kicked in the nuts over it to show everyone we meant business, which US citizens (or, specifically, citizen) was the closest equivalent to Hirohito? Really? Thanks for the history lesson. It's WWII, the beeg one. No holds barred, fight to the death and all the things that go with it. I'm thankful you weren't involved in the decision or I might be speaking a language other than Engrish. Wow, All of that and they still had time to "harass the people and eat out their substance" as it used to be known.
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Me thinks that Philos is just a tad paranoid. I see them kind of cars all the time from my house and they ain't watchin' me!
Good judgement comes from experience, which comes from bad judgement.
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hindsight is 20/20. You doing anything to change what you think is wrong?
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Dude I have come to the conclusion you just like to post BS and hear yourself talk. Pure unadulterated nonsense is what you are all about............ and y'all that keep responding to his stupid comments exacerbate the problem Keith. 
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Agreed, Mannlicher. He kinda comes across as a loose cannon, doesn't he. But so does Derby Dude once in a while, but that's ok. He's just pretending, so as to take the heat off the rest of us  (jk, DD)
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I think in most cases people full well realize what they are doing. You doing anything to change what you think is wrong? Trying not to do the same things that have been done in the past that ended up creating misery for a lot of people. That and pointing out when others want to try something that has already been done and they claim it is because it will produce a different outcome than last time. When queried on how it is going to be different they respond with rage so that gets back to the hindsight thing again and how most people really know what it is they are advocating.
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Agreed, Mannlicher. He kinda comes across as a loose cannon, doesn't he. But so does Derby Dude once in a while, but that's ok. He's just pretending, so as to take the heat off the rest of us (jk, DD) Loose cannon = applying the same level of scrutiny to the (R) as to the (D.)
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Derby Dude is fine. A wee bit misguided at times, but certainly not evil. JasonB is an evil troll, and is only here to sow hate and discontent.
Treating with folks like that is an exercise in futility, and only makes things worse.
Right now, the 'fire is Jason's bitch.
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Agreed, Mannlicher. He kinda comes across as a loose cannon, doesn't he. But so does Derby Dude once in a while, but that's ok. He's just pretending, so as to take the heat off the rest of us (jk, DD) Loose cannon = applying the same level of scrutiny to the (R) as to the (D.) Ignore the republicans and in short order you can go from loose cannon to cult hero.
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I'm pretty sure the Bill of Rights has a first amendment that refers to "freedom of speech".\
At least I am under that impression!
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Agreed, Mannlicher. He kinda comes across as a loose cannon, doesn't he. But so does Derby Dude once in a while, but that's ok. He's just pretending, so as to take the heat off the rest of us (jk, DD) Loose cannon = applying the same level of scrutiny to the (R) as to the (D.) Ignore the republicans and in short order you can go from loose cannon to cult hero. Obviously that is the goal. Name call and ridicule until I start saying things like, "the 1994 semi-auto ban was bad, but the 1989/2005 semi-auto bans were ok" or "the current round of socialized medicine is bad, but the 2003 drug law was ok." The latter had the cute one once that it was bad because if you didn't buy the insurance you got fined, but there was no fine attached to the 2003 drug law so it wasn't the same. Funny how I never got a response back from the person who made that statement when I asked them what they thought the outcome would be if they decided to deduct their chunk of the bill from the 2003 law from their taxes. Funny how little things like facts "sow hate and discontent."
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this thread needs more loon's
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Threatening someone personally and racially should probably be shut down. Threatening to harm a tree spikin' , communistic ,socialist hippie is patriotic....big difference How come?
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