I've had a copy of this tape for about 25 years along with several others that included other interviews with the Agents involved and an excellent one that was done by the Dade County SO.
Someone recently posted a copy of it on YouTube. The audio is very worn but it is a good watch...I have seen it no less than 50 times...
There is a LOT more to the incident and many questions that will never be answered...but this was the first tape done by the FBI and it is real good to have it to compare to other interviews as history seems to change as time goes on...
Bob
If you can not deal with reality, reality will deal with you....
I've had a copy of this tape for about 25 years along with several others that included other interviews with the Agents involved and an excellent one that was done by the Dade County SO.
Someone recently posted a copy of it on YouTube. The audio is very worn but it is a good watch...I have seen it no less than 50 times...
There is a LOT more to the incident and many questions that will never be answered...but this was the first tape done by the FBI and it is real good to have it to compare to other interviews as history seems to change as time goes on...
Bob
That's not a link to a video. You sure you got it right?
There is a LOT more to the incident and many questions that will never be answered...
Good video & thanks for posting, I've read a lot about it but never seen the video or the interviews; not sure what you mean by "Lots more to the incident", but it's surely a classic in what not to do.
The FBI was so ill prepared for that stop & the ensuing firefight that it was lost before the 1st shot was fired.
after watching that video I am left asking why in the world adopt the 10mm??? I don't see how that would have done anything. getting rid of the revolvers is the number 1 take away I come up with. the other is have easy access to an ar 15. I think the shotguns were pretty ineffective, they state numorous non fatal buck shot hits, trade the shotgun for an ar 15.
Getting rid of the revolvers is the number 1 take away I come up with.
Wasn't it a round from a revolver that saved the day?
Yes, a good man with a revolver ended that gunfight. The problem that day wasn't really equipment related nearly so much as tactical errors by the FBI agents.
The problem that day wasn't really equipment related nearly so much as tactical errors by the FBI agents.
Well, I guess there are lots of ways to couch the issues & tactics certainly are at the top of the list, but revolvers without either enough ammo or trying to load loose rounds (appears none had speedloaders), a shotgun in the back seat INSIDE a hard case, & leaving vests in the cars, certainly indicates some hardware shortcoming, w/o ever getting into the effectiveness of the calibers being used.
I guess those could be called tactical errors............but I'm also calling them hardware issues.
Times change......can't imagine working without putting my vest on. It's been habit for me since the beginning and it's routine now. Some of my pards that started well before me, though, still don't wear one regardless of policy. It's all what you're used to.
George
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
Understood, and I am lucky in that regard. I still figure I'd adapt. Back then, though, it wasn't habit to wear them and mine likely would have been on the seat as well (had I not been in 3rd grade )
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
Times change......can't imagine working without putting my vest on. It's been habit for me since the beginning and it's routine now. Some of my pards that started well before me, though, still don't wear one regardless of policy. It's all what you're used to.
George
I'm sure you have more insight than I do, but those guys KNEW they were going into a confrontation with armed & dangerous types..........just sayin'.
Like most, I don't have the "why". Vests were a newer concept back then and I doubt cops (and Feebs) of the day were much different than those I know.........we hate change in many cases.
I started my career after two Troopers that I knew from Coos County (where I grew up) were gunned down. That, in northern NH, makes an impression.....
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
Getting rid of the revolvers is the number 1 take away I come up with.
Wasn't it a round from a revolver that saved the day?
I read a M-13 3" with .38+P 158gr LSWHP but some sources now say a S&W 686 with the same ammo. I read Mireles carried a SIG P220 with Federal 230gr Hydrashoks later.
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Getting rid of the revolvers is the number 1 take away I come up with.
Wasn't it a round from a revolver that saved the day?
I read a M-13 3" with .38+P 158gr LSWHP but some sources now say a S&W 686 with the same ammo. I read Mireles carried a SIG P220 with Federal 230gr Hydrashoks later.
Amazing how hard it is to get clarity on a thing like that.
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