|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,522 Likes: 24
Campfire Kahuna
|
OP
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,522 Likes: 24 |
I can tell you in this case. That's $30k that could have been used elsewhere if the @#$%^& feds hadn't brought the vermin in.
BOISE, Idaho (AP) � Idaho wildlife officials say it cost $30,000 to kill 23 wolves last month in northern Idaho.
Idaho Fish and Game announced earlier this week the money is coming from licenses the agency sells.
The agency last month said USDA Wildlife Service agents killed the wolves using a helicopter in the Lolo elk zone near the Montana border to improve elk survival in the area.
It's the sixth time the agency has taken action to kill wolves in the Lolo zone in the past four years. Forty-eight wolves have been killed in all.
The state's predator management plan calls for killing wolves when Idaho Fish and Game determines they are causing conflicts with people or domestic animals, or that they are a significant factor in declining numbers of elk or deer.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,527 Likes: 4
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,527 Likes: 4 |
I'm sure locals would do it for free, if allowed.
"Live like you'll die tomorrow, but manage your grass like you'll live forever." -S. M. Stirling
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,177 Likes: 7
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,177 Likes: 7 |
What ever happened to BrentD, he'd be deeply saddened by the tragic deaths of said wolves.
These wolves are very hard to get rid of, that's fact.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,522 Likes: 24
Campfire Kahuna
|
OP
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,522 Likes: 24 |
I'm sure locals would do it for free, if allowed. We ARE allowed. We can get 5 tags a year at only $11/tag and the season is very long. However, wolves aren't coyotes. You don't just walk out and shoot them for the most part. They cover a vast area of rugged country and can be extremely hard to find. The hunters haven't been able to keep up with the population increase.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,260
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 10,260 |
I'm sure locals would do it for free, if allowed. We ARE allowed. We can get 5 tags a year at only $11/tag and the season is very long. However, wolves aren't coyotes. You don't just walk out and shoot them for the most part. They cover a vast area of rugged country and can be extremely hard to find. The hunters haven't been able to keep up with the population increase. I don't think it's a matter of not being able to keep up. It's more of a matter of not being willing. You don't kill a wolf for meat (at least - I don't know anybody who would), and not many people will spend the cash for taxidermy. The hides aren't especially valuable. The regs require some pretty inconvenient handling of the dead animal. And much of the season runs at the same time as traditional hunts. Why would anyone bother to hunt wolves? We know the answer to that - but it doesn't motivate a lot of participation. If wolf hunting were more convenient for the hunter, F&G wouldn't have to spend a dime.
Lunatic fringe....we all know you're out there.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,392
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,392 |
bounty time ... use to be 400 $...ahh the good old days
I work harder than a ugly stripper....
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 33,856
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 33,856 |
What ever happened to BrentD, he'd be deeply saddened by the tragic deaths of said wolves.
These wolves are very hard to get rid of, that's fact. Yes, it's certain to be rough on the deer and elk herds.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time by the blood of patriots and tyrants.
If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 20,683
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 20,683 |
I know of at least one guy that cost him a 70K airplane, for awhile anyway. Believe he finally got it back.
he's one of the best sheep taxidermists on the planet, and one of the best sheep hunters.
he used to keep the wolves thinned out in his moose hunting area, that I was fortunate to be able to see and have him give me the nickel tour while I was guiding one year.
hunting from airplanes is one of the most effective ways to keep wolf populations in check.
seems he carried on even after ADF&G banned it for a period of time.
I do admire and respect the guy, he's his own man.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 32,044
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 32,044 |
nothing if you just shoot them , leave them laying and don't get caught , just like getting rid of the to many hawks we have today.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 128
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 128 |
In the homesteading days in Alaska, if the homesteaders had a problem with a bear or wolf, they gut shot them. Problem solved. The critter ran off and died. They didn't have to dispose of the carcass or have a discussion with the beady eyed warden. Cruel maybe, but effective.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,654
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,654 |
This is just the outcome of more govt. genius. �'s vacations go on, just the same.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 197
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 197 |
I agree with atvalaska, if they put a bounty on them of $500 and and the same 23 wolves were killed it would have only cost them $11,500 and not $30,000, and it would have put money into the community.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,194 Likes: 1
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 2,194 Likes: 1 |
Rock Chuck is right--you start huntin wolves hard and they get a whole lot harder to find and kill, even from airplanes.
You got wolves in the Rockies and the northern Great Lakes and now you are stuck with 'em and I don't care if they open the season all year and put a bounty on 'em.
Grampa wasn't as stupid as most people think--and he knew there was only one way to get rid of all the wolves. And they ain't gonna let that happen.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 35,293
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 35,293 |
What does it cost to kill wolves?
About a dollar?
Something clever here.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,102
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 10,102 |
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,412 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,412 Likes: 2 |
I have hunted for the last 3 Octobers for wolves in the Sawtooth Valley area and have probably spent close to 10k w/out seeing a wolf yet. That could be a statement about how smart wolves are or my hunting prowess. I will try again in both Oct. and Nov. of 2014. I will probably try another area and suggestions are welcome. I do like Idaho, alot.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 732
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 732 |
I elk hunted Lolo in 2009, it is a rough deal. Bad access. Thick cover.Steep terrain. This unit had formerly been the most productive elk zone in Idaho. With the reintro of wolves and a devastating winter in mid 80s it has never recovered. No one would like to see those wolves knocked back more than me. But those that think its some easy deal, just go shoot them.... you have no clue. Those that are advocating bounty are on the right track. It will take dedicated trappers to do this job correctly and that will be damn tough
1/504 PIR
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 732
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 732 |
Bad winter was mid 90s, typo by me
1/504 PIR
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,250 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 9,250 Likes: 2 |
The hides aren't especially valuable. Might re-think that one... http://www.hideandfur.com/inventory/7481.htmlI've killed two wolves in Alaska while looking for Grizz. I'll be the first to admit that I lucked into them. I know one of Alaska's best wolf hunters, he has killed several hundred of them through trapping, snaring and aerial shooting. He sent me a photo of his barn with 97 wolf hides tacked to it after the first season of aerial population reduction in his area. He's one of the most knowledgeable wolf experts in the country.
Proud NRA Life Member
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 20,683
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 20,683 |
know some guys that are pretty handy at thinning out their ranks as well
but it's a dedicated effort
I've been fortunate to spend more time outdoors than the average guy by far.
I could have potentially killed 3 of them, seen 9-10 (too far away to shoot at) and the tracks and kill sites of 50 or so.
they are slippery devils
cool critters, but trapping, poisoning and aerial shooting are about the only effective methods to thin them out significantly
you could give every hunter a free tag and you'd not see many more wolves taken than are now by traditional hunting methods.
I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
|
|
|
|
600 members (1lessdog, 12344mag, 10Glocks, 17CalFan, 10ring1, 1beaver_shooter, 61 invisible),
2,464
guests, and
1,353
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,194,358
Posts18,527,128
Members74,031
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|