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A lot depends on what you are trying to do.
If you are trying to sight in a rifle, and know that you have accidentally produced a flier, then it probably should not be included at all. So I think you are right in that.
But what about the self-induced flier you didn't catch? If you are sighting in a rifle, you probably want that ignored too. In that case, the median is the better choice.
There is practically no downside to using the median.
There is no one right way. A lot of it boils down to understanding how things work and choosing the way you like the best.
Be not weary in well doing.
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My hunting rifles are also my prairie dog/coyote/gopher/steel shooting rifles and I like them to be under MOA to the 500 for three shots. If they can't do that consistently I start drinking and begin gunsmithing.
And quite frankly, with as good as schit is today this is not a difficult thing to do.
You mean the good whiskey??
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I totally agree, If there are several rifles that shoot under an inch at 500 yards I am from Missouri. I think there is such a variation in how one "bench" shoots that will cause a tolerable size in ones "groups". My buddy clamps his down in a vice like contraption and it is like shooting a machine. I like leaning over my Dodge truck with some pads of course my groups wont be like the clamped rifles... I am usually disappointed in over two inches at 100 for a scoped rifle and four for a peep sight.
But to have all of your rifles under an inch at 500???? This I would like to see. I would believe if this was in fact true: one should train the armed forces. Good job! Just braying.
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I totally agree, If there are several rifles that shoot under an inch at 500 yards I am from Missouri. I think there is such a variation in how one "bench" shoots that will cause a variation in "groups". My buddy clamps his down in a vice like contraption and it is like shooting a machine. I like leaning over my Dodge truck with some pads of course my groups wont be like the clamped rifles..........but Cmon Man! All of your rifles under an inch at 500? This I would like to see. Just braying. Are you referencing my post? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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My hunting rifles are also my prairie dog/coyote/gopher/steel shooting rifles and I like them to be under MOA to the 500 for three shots. If they can't do that consistently I start drinking and begin gunsmithing.
And quite frankly, with as good as schit is today this is not a difficult thing to do.
You mean the good whiskey??
Travis I don't know if you're trying to add to what I posted to make it seem like I wrote it, or if you are trying to infer that I am drunk when I shoot. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I totally agree, If there are several rifles that shoot under an inch at 500 yards I am from Missouri. I think there is such a variation in how one "bench" shoots that will cause a tolerable size in ones "groups". My buddy clamps his down in a vice like contraption and it is like shooting a machine. I like leaning over my Dodge truck with some pads of course my groups wont be like the clamped rifles... I am usually disappointed in over two inches at 100 for a scoped rifle and four for a peep sight.
But to have all of your rifles under an inch at 500???? This I would like to see. I would believe if this was in fact true: one should train the armed forces. Good job! Just braying. He never said that.
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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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What is acceptable hunting rifle accuracy today? Depends on whether you prefer head shots on table fare.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Deflave, what does moa at 500 mean? I assumed 1 inch at 500. If that is not the case I apologize for my ignorance.
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5.24" at 500 yards 
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MOA means minute of angle, i.e., one sixtieth of a degree. This corresponds to approximately 1.047 inches at 100 yards, or a bit less than 5 1/4 inches at 500 yards.
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This confusion between an inch and one MOA happens all the time. I mentioned here a few months ago that I had a custom 6.5-06 that would average 3 shots in 1/2 MOA out to 700 yards with the right load. Somebody immediately jumped on me, saying they'd never seen a rifle that would consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 700 yards.
I suspect the problem arises because so many people rarely shoot their rifles at anything except 100 yards.
Have even seen optics companies list the adjustments of the same model scopes as both 1/4" and 1/4 MOA in different places.
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Deflave, what does moa at 500 mean? I assumed 1 inch at 500. If that is not the case I apologize for my ignorance. MOA @ 500yds would be about 5". 400yds would be 4", 300 about 3", etc. No need to apologize. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and always forgive. Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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You lying sob. And you wonder why shrapnel is always smacking you upside your head and taking your wallet 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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You lying sob. And you wonder why shrapnel is always smacking you upside your head and taking your wallet You doubt the quality of a 'Flave Precision rifle? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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The BeeGees?
That hurts...
I take a contrary view from most I guess, mostly because it amuses me to multitask with rifles. What is required has zip to do with what I accept from a given firearm, nor does its performance necessarily govern how I use it.
With only a very few exceptions I don't own a rifle incapable of MOA or better over the course of 5 shots fired at a range of 50 to 100 yards. Coming up soon in the neighborhood is a 600 yard line and that will be an education in its own right I suppose.
Why 50? It is unlikely my .22 short shooter will ever be tested at 100 yards in the field, I see no reason to waste ammo. It will shoot successive 5 shot groups at 50 yards off a bag rest that are 1/2" center to center...if I have a conventional scope mounted. With a 3MOA red dot sight it will shoot 1/2" or less out to 25 yards which is further than I shoot in the field 99% of the time. So, what do I need? Minute of pig brain. I shoot from a rest in the field. Our "field" down this way is full of trees and they make wonderful rests.
A Model 94 Trapper with a William receiver sight and hand loads will do far better than I need at 100 yards, about 3" wads. Longest shot I've taken on game was about 75 yards, shortest nearly put powder burns on the hide.
The BeeGees? Dayum, that makes my skin crawl.
To think an entire generation was waiting for Barbarian Dan to step in and kill them. You really let them down, BD. Travis Sorry for being AWOL and being tardy in response to this foul tip. An entire generation? That was near 45 years ago, you want me to cap another one? That's harsh. My other gun is a LCP. I got it when I started hearing rumors about missing wallets. I hardly ever miss inside 3'. It's also good for fixing nail fungus.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Deflave, what does moa at 500 mean? I assumed 1 inch at 500. If that is not the case I apologize for my ignorance. MOA @ 500yds would be about 5". 400yds would be 4", 300 about 3", etc. No need to apologize. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and always forgive. Travis If you just went and bought a gun that would shoot 1" at 500 you wouldn't have to explain all this crap.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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My Dearest Dan,
I really don't remember writing anything about the BeeGays or you killing a generation. But when I read it just now, it really made me laugh.
I crack me the [bleep] up some days.
Travis
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Yes, ColTravis, you are a riot, for sure.
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If being stupid allows me to believe in Him, I'd wish to be a retard. Eisenhower and G Washington should be good company.
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You crack me up too flave. Hey by the way. 10 shot group with your big gun or go the [bleep] home If you can't kill a big game animal with a rifle like this, you better take up golf. Just sayin.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0582_zps6ae9ff10.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/IMG_0580_zps9a5dac72.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x401/chiefbsa/1118120922_zps51f9790f.jpg) Proper POI trumps all.... Oh by the way "GFY"....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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