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Apparently all these non-believers and nay-sayers !

I don't care if they drink the Kool-aid !! More for me

Then why do "they" bother to make the claim. They obvious give a shat, and you should too.

Nobody "really" knows, and until there is hard data I am skeptical at best.

I would submit that brass life wouldn't be good if pressures where high... If Pat says its so that's good enough for me.

If I thought there would be ANY danger, my 13 year old wouldn't have used it for his deer and antelope last fall.

I tested those loads when it was 110*F last summer with easy bolt lift, no primer flattening, or cratering. If there was excessive pressure, I would have seen it then.

Some folks sit in the stands.....some play the game.

Pat, I'm very glad your 13 year old is safe, no doubt.

But until you play the game with hard data you're just yelling from the stands with guesses.

Awesome--I'd love to see that data.

Nice buck!!

If SAUM brass is anywhere near as 'strong' as Winchester WSM brass it can last +15 'full power' firings without any loose pockets or other issues. I had/have a bunch of 300 WSM brass and it literally lasts forever.


I have heard several people mention that WSM brass is heavy duty stuff, not sure if the same holds true for SAUM brass. If so, pressure aside, that might explain the longevity.



It will be interesting to see the actual pressure data.

Obvoiusly Pat has something up his sleeve re: brass... hopefully it's Lapua. Regardless, factory brass could tempt me to the 6.5 SAUM... I've always liked the SAUM case better than the WSM.

I've been shooting and handloading the 7mm SAUM since it appeared, and the Remington brass I have (all early production) is VERY good, both in toughness and uniformity. Obviously the pressures Pat's running aren't causing the slightest problem.

My only skepticism at this point is the claim of extended barrel life due to lower pressures. After running some calculations, the pressures with a 140 at 3100 from a 24" barrel would have to be over 60,000 psi, probably closer to 65,000.

But that doesn't bother me either. If the barrel life is there, it's there, whether or not it's due to lower pressures, case shape, or whatever. SOMETHING is causing it to be an outstanding combination of caliber and case.

Not exactly sitting in the stands here, Pat.

Here's a 6.5 Rem Mag. Bartlein 24" 1/8 8 lbs, based on a long action with a long throat.
I'm shooting 140 VLDs with 60.0 of H1000 at 3,020. 56.0 7828 SCC at 3,051. My hunting load is RS Magnum 60.0 fetches 3,150.

Wither I am getting the same barrel life is to be seen. I'm not to worried about it.

That about sums it up. I wish we could figure out exactly what allows for the great performance with barrel life, then apply the same science to other new chamberings.

MD, you would think the 6.5-06 Ackley would get the same or better barrel life do to it even having a longer neck and sharper shoulder than the SAUM.

But based on testimony apparently it does not.

If I knew for sure factory brass, I would build now with the parts I have for my 6.5 Creedmoor build.

Pat spill the beans so I can change direction on my build!

Even without factory brass, you can neck down one of the other SAUM parents and be good to go. Nosler just had a bunch on closeout/overruns.

SU35,

Don't know. Do know a bunch of people who've seen less rapid throat erosion with the 6.5-06 (either standard or AI) than the 6.5/.284, which has approximately the same case capacity but a much shorter neck.

DD I realize that but factory brass is a huge plus to me.

Well this might just seal the deal for me.

Im having one built right now , it isnt a "new" catridge they were being built before these guys brought them to attention via the intertube. But it is an awesome round no matter how you look at it. My gunsmith believes it has a lot to do with powder choice. He claims they go around 2500k to 3k before needing to be set back to retain ridiculous accuracy , hunting accuracy past 3k. (this is according to him , not me). If anyone doubts what these guys are saying please dont build one to findout , you will just be wasting precious components