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I'm sitting in the terminal at Houston Hobby listening to the CNN broadcast on the TV. The liberals, both MSM and their guests are wringing their hands over what to do to stop these "mass shootings." Solutions recommended so far are to review the mental health records of the 10,000 people that come and go each day, in and out of Ft. hood. Another says to stop and search every vehicle and person for weapons. Another questions whether the gun used in the crime by Specialist Lopez was purchased legally. Yet another questions the lessons learned from the last Islamo-fascist attack at Ft. Hood and whether the Army post commander did an adequate job of providing security for every one on the post. Surprisingly (not), not a single MSM anchor or guest questioned the policy of forbidding individual exercise of the 2nd Amendment Right to life on the post.

Personal responsibility for one's own protection is as foreign to a liberal's thought process as is the idea that intentional abortion (in every case and situation) is the murder of an unborn child.

It's astounding that US Military SOLDIERS on a military base, have to call for help when there's an active shooter. There are literally thousands of individuals qualified to carry a weapon, and no one to respond.

I can understand them not allowing folks to carry their service weapon around full time - been there and understand it. What I can't understand is that they won't allow soldiers who have qualified for concealed carry on the civilian side as well as qualified in weapons on the military side to carry concealed on base.

For heaven's sake, at least let guys licensed for concealed carry in the state the base is in carry ON THE BASE!!


And the big thing I note again, is that yet another mass shooting occurred where the shooter has been on anti-depressants. And the media is silent. Not even talk about looking for a link. Is it the anti-depressants causing it, or is it just very likely that folks who do this crap will already be on them?

Anti- depressants involved in most mass shootings. Don't hear about it much at all.
I see no reason to watch network news. Sometimes I have it on with no sound.

anti gun libs will call for a ban on personal guns on base. No wait, that is already in effect. Hmmmmmmmm

Yes, this! ^

We need more gun free zones dammit!

Ding,ding,ding. Winner!

Yeah, and see how well it worked

When will they learn that when it comes to active shooters, the ONLY response is another shooter going active on his arse????

I heard one guy reply that making all soldiers turn in their weapons upon entering a military base, is about the same making all police turn in their weapons upon entering a police station.

All bases have MP's or SP's yet they are used like security guards instead of enforcement! Dependent upon the base commander and at his discretion he can and will limit their authority as they see fit. This can mean not doing checks, not carrying firearms, ect. I recently visited a base where the soldiers who are on "disciplinary" are not armed and merely check a person's ID! Yes they are usually working with fellow soldiers who are armed but in the vicinity making them useless. Not ideal at all!

What advantage is there for a soldier or Marine to have to have a CCW before they can carry their service handgun on base?

None, to the lawful and the just. Plenty to the unlawful and the government.

These MP were armed. In fact reports are that an MP came up to the shooter and that's when he shot himself.
Took a while to get to his location but the MP were the ones to stop this act.

Their answer will be for more enhanced background checks and more accessibility to medical records. Expect every doctor visit to include 'Do you ever feel sad or depressed'?

Yep.

Troops come home from a war zone and someone decides "you came from a combat zone, you must need these", hands them a bag of pills and says we will check on you soon.

It's because the notion of self-determinism, or self defense, and a solution to anything without dependency on government, or some rule, or procedure,is completely foreign to them.This is the sort of thing,in their misguided minds, for which government must find a solution. It cannot be left to the individual,they think.

If they expect the government to feed them if they are hungry,take care of them for free when they are sick, give them money when they don't work,how can we expect them to ever take responsibility for something as unpleasant and fundamental as defending themselves?

They are uncomfortable in the presence of those capable of doing so themselves.This exposes their own insecurities and fears.... So they discredit those people and the institutions that enable them, like the 2nd amendment.

Bullseye.

Time to Repeal Gun-Free Zones!
�It really doesn�t matter, when somebody shows up at a place, why they�re trying to kill people,� Erich Pratt, the group�s director of communications, told MSNBC. �The important thing is that people be able to protect themselves.�

Yesterday�s tragic shooting at Ft. Hood raises the question once again: How many more lives must perish before Congress repeals the ban on service members carrying guns?

We now know that Ivan Lopez, an Iraq War veteran, brought a .45 caliber semi-automatic handgun onto Ft. Hood yesterday and killed three other people, before killing himself.

Fox News reports that the rampage ended when a female MP drew her weapon, causing Lopez to take his own life.

It was previous base shootings like this one that prompted Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) to introduce H.R. 3199 last year, a bill to repeal the ban on carrying firearms on military bases.

Rep. Stockman blasted the glaring double-standard that keeps our servicemen disarmed.

�Why are civilians at a restaurant allowed to defend themselves but soldiers trained in firearms aren�t?� Stockman asked. �Why can�t we extend common sense gun laws like open carry to our soldiers?�

Ret. Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford -- who survived the 2009 Ft. Hood shooting, despite being shot 7 times by Nidal Hasan -- shocked an MSNBC host today when he said �I think more guns� is the answer.

�Had it been where other service members [had] guns or weapons on them at that time,� Sgt. Lunsford said, �I don�t think [Lopez] would have reacted the way that he was reacting.�

It is imperative that gun owners urge their Representatives to cosponsor H.R. 3199. Every time we repeal another gun-free zone, we take away another killing zone that the Left can use to clamor for gun control.

Click here to send a message to your Representative and insist that he cosponsor H.R. 3199!

To be sure, the political Left has spent the entire day trying to exploit this tragedy in hopes of resurrecting calls for gun control.

Should we ban those on anxiety meds? How about servicemen with PTSD? What about just anyone who is seeking psychiatric counseling?

These are the questions that MSNBC hosts have raised today. But over and over again, even their own liberal guests continue to shoot down the idea that society can accurately predict which non-violent individuals are likely to commit violence in the future:

* Former FBI agent and criminal profiler, Clint Van Zandt: �There is no real litmus test for who�s going to commit violence.�

* NBC reporter Jim Miklaszewski: �[Psychologists] saw no sign of likely violence or suicidal tendencies from [Ivan] Lopez.�

* Dr. Devi Nampiaparampil, a NYU professor: �PTSD by itself, it doesn�t make people violent.�

So even though gun grabbers are trying to use tragedies like this to expand gun laws -- making them even more draconian -- the dirty little secret among the �intelligencia� is that background checks are doomed to fail:

* Remember Adam Lanza at Newtown, Connecticut? He stole his firearms from his mother, whom he murdered.

* Or how about the Clackamas Mall shooter? He stole his AR-15, just as Lanza (one week later) would steal his firearms.

* Then there was the James Holmes at the Aurora theater in Colorado. He passed two background checks.

* Or how about Jared Loughner in Tucson, Arizona? He passed a background check.

No wonder that America�s police officers, by a 2-to-1 margin, support concealed carry as the answer to large scale shootings -- as compared to expanding mental health checks for gun buyers. See pg 6

�Saving lives by allowing trained soldiers to carry firearms should be an easy fix,� said Rep. Stockman. �No reasonable person can oppose that.�

ACTION: Urge your Representative to cosponsor H.R. 3199, the Safe Military Bases Act; and thank those who already have. By using the GOA Engage feature -- and inputting your address -- the appropriate message will be selected, based on whether your Rep. has cosponsored the bill.

REPS. TO THANK FOR ALREADY COSPONSORING H.R. 3199:

Rep Bentivolio, Kerry L. [MI-11]

Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1]

Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26]

Rep Farenthold, Blake [TX-27]

Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1]

Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4]

Rep LaMalfa, Doug [CA-1]

Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1]

Rep Olson, Pete [TX-22]

Rep Posey, Bill [FL-8]

Rep Stockman, Steve [chief sponsor]

Rep Stutzman, Marlin A. [IN-3]

Rep Weber, Randy K. Sr. [TX-14]

P.S. It's time to put an end to the dangerous gun ban on military bases. Click here to help GOA reach out to more gun owners so we can increase the pressure on politicians in Washington.